your thoughts on graffiti

[sharkmansix]

but would SOMEONE please explain to me when someone ceases to be a vandal, and transforms through some mystical metamorphosis to become a "graf writer"?????????

I've always seen it as what seperates 'artists' and 'people who aren't'. Sure, anyone can scrawl their name with a can of spray-paint. What seperates the vandal from the artist is the intent.

[rezin]

good question.

and tough...


i think graffiti can represent a mutuality. it goes beyond the borders of private property. i'm not sure i 100% believe in private property. (like in the sense that i dont believe in santa or morlocks. it's an abstraction just like any sort of logic.) the rest of this will be rushed out because i haven't had a chance to really get deep with it:

graffiti is a reminder that we share life. it's a slap in the face. "you own this wall, it's yours, it's 100% government guaranteed to you. but now there's art on it. how can this be?" it's a value-check. to me it's like if i saw a momma/dadda slapping their kid in the face. i'd say "i really dont think you should slap your kid in the face." the obvious response is: "It's none of your business! this kid is mine! it's 100% government gauranteed!" but is the kid 100% theirs? is the wall 100% anyone's? is anything 100% anyone's?

and not only that, but it's an art attack! no matter the definition, i think art could be said to have some value contained within it. trying to add value and life back into our mechanized lifestyles can't be too bad of a thing - unless a threat to the mechanization is a bad thing (which i do not think it is). good graffiti, and not jackass graffiti, can represent a lot. it adds colour, value, and life to a (very literally) bleached culture.


graffiti is about as subversive as not standing for the pledge of allegiance. which means it's about as awesome as it gets (when properly done).

very well said...i actually find myself agreeing with somethin ol' jojo says

[Shrugie]

and not only that, but it's an art attack! no matter the definition, i think art could be said to have some value contained within it. trying to add value and life back into our mechanized lifestyles can't be too bad of a thing - unless a threat to the mechanization is a bad thing (which i do not think it is). good graffiti, and not jackass graffiti, can represent a lot. it adds colour, value, and life to a (very literally) bleached culture.

Just remember: The most important thing about a piece of art is the frame. It seperates the art from the "real" world and without it "What's that sh*t on the wall?"

[sharkmansix]

ust remember: The most important thing about a piece of art is the frame. It seperates the art from the "real" world and without it "What's that shite on the wall?"

Have to disagree with you here. If anything, IMO, art needs less frames. I mean, what frame do you use for a room instulation (sp)?

I think that's what intregues me about graffiti. (to me) It's taking the world and using that as your canvas. There's something akin to cavemen by making art like that.

[Shrugie]

Have to disagree with you here. If anything, IMO, art needs less frames. I mean, what frame do you use for a room instulation (sp)?

Gotta think outside of the box on this one. In this case the room itself would be the frame. You leave the room, you no longer see the art.

I think that's what intregues me about graffiti. (to me) It's taking the world and using that as your canvas. There's something akin to cavemen by making art like that.

Its also important to remember that there is no art. The purpose of art is to hold a mirror up to the universe and there simply isn't a mirror large enough. So, therefor, no art... j/k




Of course really anything can be art or music. If I were to say "I'm gonna record myself gargling this glass of carrot juice and this will be my composition." The gargling sounds are now music simply because I willed it to be so.

Am I making any sense? I am pretty high right now....

[Dose-V.I.K]

Have to disagree with you here. If anything, IMO, art needs less frames. I mean, what frame do you use for a room instulation (sp)?

Gotta think outside of the box on this one. In this case the room itself would be the frame.

I think that's what intregues me about graffiti. (to me) It's taking the world and using that as your canvas. There's something akin to cavemen by making art like that.

Its also important to remember that there is no art. The purpose of art is to hold a mirror up to the universe and there simply isn't a mirror large enough. So, therefor, no art... j/k

[sharkmansix]

But it's the intention that makes it art. IMO, the world isn't art, it's the world. Art is something humans made. What seperates a piece of found art from a piece of junk?

The intention, that's what. The artist chose that piece of junk, therefor transforming it to art.

Thinking outside of the box, what's the frame on a piece of sculpture? You could claim whatever is around the piece is the frame, but it's subject to change. If the frame isn't the same everytime, then it's not a frame.

Does any of this make sence? Should I get high and see if it helps?

[Nolan]

I think graf and music are the greatest arts.


if only i could do either of the two.....

[Shrugie]

But it's the intention that makes it art. IMO, the world isn't art, it's the world. Art is something humans made. What seperates a piece of found art from a piece of junk?

The intention, that's what. The artist chose that piece of junk, therefor transforming it to art.

Thinking outside of the box, what's the frame on a piece of sculpture? You could claim whatever is around the piece is the frame, but it's subject to change. If the frame isn't the same everytime, then it's not a frame.

Does any of this make sence? Should I get high and see if it helps?

Couldn't hurt to try...

[sharkmansix]

LOL!

[Dose-V.I.K]

thought you cats would get a kick out of this its the would largest by a writer name SABER

[JEDIGLIDE]

YES LADIES AND GENTLEMEN THIS IS THE LARGEST ILLEGAL PIECE IN THE WORLD.

For those of you that are seeing this for the first time look at the left hand side of the "B". That's Saber standin in the middle of his piece. The stories that go behind this piece are ridiculous.

Glad you posted this Dose.

Want to know more about this writer?
Here ya go:

SABER ONE - AWR MSK THE SEVENTH LETTER
American graffiti artist at the dawning of the 21st century.


SABER's earliest works were massive 'wild style' graffiti pieces. He used roller latex paint describing the forms of the letters in his name. In 1997 SABER painted the world's largest graffiti piece on the cement banks of the Los Angeles River. Measuring 250' x 55' and requiring 97 gallons of paint, this work is considered to be one of the most important pieces in graffiti history.

At first examination one might conclude that SABER seems to have a dark shadow over his head. However, upon closer examination, his work appears to have hidden hints of greater insight.

SABER's pantheistic approach to gothic structures seems to have been derived from his home background. He sketches many of his works in pencil before applying them to canvas. This enabled him to achieve great precision in the balancing of his works. At the same time, in order to show that he has mastered several techniques, he uses nature to convey a sentimental setting in his pictures.

Even though SABER has adopted many changes in his style of painting he did not abandon his spiritual approach to his gothic works. The style and tones that SABER's paintings take have been linked to the events that took place on his creative path. Throughout his works he exhibits control over the neo-gothic sentiment, the stylistic artifice and intimate observations of nature. He holds these in close balance. SABER's observations of light and atmosphere are precise and personal. In his paintings the main features are usually silhouetted against atmospheric backgrounds. The cold colors contrast with the emotional poignancy of the mood in his pieces.

BOMB THE FORT!!!
Give,
Glidius Maximus
Bodily Funktions
Glide Productions

[rezin]

thought you cats would get a kick out of this its the would largest by a writer name SABER

i love that piece...

[Shrugie]

Damn. That is one very large, cool piece of work.

[sope]

YES LADIES AND GENTLEMEN THIS IS THE LARGEST ILLEGAL PIECE IN THE WORLD.

For those of you that are seeing this for the first time look at the left hand side of the "B". That's Saber standin in the middle of his piece. The stories that go behind this piece are ridiculous.

Glad you posted this Dose.

Want to know more about this writer?
Here ya go:

SABER ONE - AWR MSK THE SEVENTH LETTER
American graffiti artist at the dawning of the 21st century.


SABER's earliest works were massive 'wild style' graffiti pieces. He used roller latex paint describing the forms of the letters in his name. In 1997 SABER painted the world's largest graffiti piece on the cement banks of the Los Angeles River. Measuring 250' x 55' and requiring 97 gallons of paint, this work is considered to be one of the most important pieces in graffiti history.

At first examination one might conclude that SABER seems to have a dark shadow over his head. However, upon closer examination, his work appears to have hidden hints of greater insight.

SABER's pantheistic approach to gothic structures seems to have been derived from his home background. He sketches many of his works in pencil before applying them to canvas. This enabled him to achieve great precision in the balancing of his works. At the same time, in order to show that he has mastered several techniques, he uses nature to convey a sentimental setting in his pictures.

Even though SABER has adopted many changes in his style of painting he did not abandon his spiritual approach to his gothic works. The style and tones that SABER's paintings take have been linked to the events that took place on his creative path. Throughout his works he exhibits control over the neo-gothic sentiment, the stylistic artifice and intimate observations of nature. He holds these in close balance. SABER's observations of light and atmosphere are precise and personal. In his paintings the main features are usually silhouetted against atmospheric backgrounds. The cold colors contrast with the emotional poignancy of the mood in his pieces.

BOMB THE FORT!!!
Give,
Glidius Maximus
Bodily Funktions
Glide Productions

glide, have you seen what ja and foe did to the L.A. river piece?