Columbia University invites Hitler to speak

The_Dude · Post by **The_Dude** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 7:59 am

bassjones wrote:
The_Dude wrote:Meanwhile...Bin Laden isn't being "dealt with" now.
Actually, we almost had him again last week. He's got quite an elaborate protection system in place. Doesn't help that Pakistan is scared to death of him and won't help much.

Until he *is* captured, there's no *almost* about it.

I *almost* won the lottery because I bought a ticket.

Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.

bassjones · Post by **bassjones** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 8:03 am

The_Dude wrote:
bassjones wrote:
The_Dude wrote:Meanwhile...Bin Laden isn't being "dealt with" now.
Actually, we almost had him again last week. He's got quite an elaborate protection system in place. Doesn't help that Pakistan is scared to death of him and won't help much.
Until he *is* captured, there's no *almost* about it.

I *almost* won the lottery because I bought a ticket.

Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.

I agree. It's not like we're just ignoring him though, which is what *some* people make it sound like. Like we can't do two things at once or something. We've got him pretty well contained up in the mountains anyway.

The_Dude · Post by **The_Dude** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 8:08 am

Iraq's government sure is coming along nicely.

bassjones · Post by **bassjones** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 8:11 am

The_Dude wrote:Iraq's government sure is coming along nicely.

historically speaking, they actually are. They're much further ahead than post WW2 Germany this far along. Especially when you consider they went from tyranny to democracy practically overnight. It will take time.

bwohlgemuth · Post by **bwohlgemuth** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 8:17 am

Dammit Bassey....there you go point out facts again...

Haggard · Post by **Haggard** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:58 am

bwohlgemuth wrote:Dammit Bassey....there you go point out facts again...

How can you consider what jones says to be fact. Nothing in what he says is a fact. He says "everyone thought they had WMD's". Two problem words here: everyone and thought. Then the statement about post WW2 Germany. How can that be considered fact when you have no cold hard evidence to support that Iraq is in fact better than Germany was. That is someone's opinion, because who can factually say that one countries government is better than another?

bassjones · Post by **bassjones** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:04 pm

Haggard wrote:
bwohlgemuth wrote:Dammit Bassey....there you go point out facts again...
How can you consider what jones says to be fact. Nothing in what he says is a fact. He says "everyone thought they had WMD's". Two problem words here: everyone and thought. Then the statement about post WW2 Germany. How can that be considered fact when you have no cold hard evidence to support that Iraq is in fact better than Germany was. That is someone's opinion, because who can factually say that one countries government is better than another?

Go read the transcripts from the Iraq debate. Not one person said he didn't have WMD's. The opposition simply said we didn't need to and shouldn't go to war because he did.

As to Germany v. Iraq, it's based on how far along their internal governmental systems are/were this many years/months post war, not some emotional feeling of which country is better. It was 10 years post WW2 before Germany had a constitution in place - to cite one example. Iraq's banking system is already up and running, which took Germany almost 10 years to do - to cite another. As bad as the "insurgency" seems, Germany was as bad, if not worse, for longer. Nazi sympathizers wreaked havoc on Germany for years, which is partially why it took so long for them to organize.

bassjones · Post by **bassjones** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:18 pm

Now if you want to argue we're not doing enough in Myanmar, Darfur, Zimbabwe, Uganda, etc... I agree 110%, but I'm not completely sure what else we could do short of military action. Those are situations the UN should be handling, but as is the norm, they are incapable of. Said it before, I'll say it again, the UN is the most corrupt, inept organization on the face of the planet. More corrupt than Enron could ever think about being, and more inept than your local PTA.

bwohlgemuth · Post by **bwohlgemuth** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:41 pm

bassjones wrote:Now if you want to argue we're not doing enough in Myanmar, Darfur, Zimbabwe, Uganda, etc... I agree 110%, but I'm not completely sure what else we could do short of military action. Those are situations the UN should be handling, but as is the norm, they are incapable of. Said it before, I'll say it again, the UN is the most corrupt, inept organization on the face of the planet. More corrupt than Enron could ever think about being, and more inept than your local PTA.

Amen!

And Haggard, I have provided points and evidence which no one has disputed at this point. If you are disputing the findings, that's fine, just please bring evidence to back your assertions.

Morphine Child · Post by **Morphine Child** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:31 pm

bassjones wrote:
Haggard wrote:
bwohlgemuth wrote:Dammit Bassey....there you go point out facts again...

As to Germany v. Iraq, it's based on how far along their internal governmental systems are/were this many years/months post war, not some emotional feeling of which country is better. It was 10 years post WW2 before Germany had a constitution in place - to cite one example. Iraq's banking system is already up and running, which took Germany almost 10 years to do - to cite another. As bad as the "insurgency"
seems, Germany was as bad, if not worse, for longer. Nazi sympathizers wreaked havoc on Germany for years, which is partially why it took so long for them to organize.

-10 years?

"By 1946, the German states under our control wrote their own constitutions, and this provided invaluable experience for many of the West German politicians who would go on to write the exemplary German constitution, the Basic Law."

http://www.ccc.nps.navy.mil/si/may03/middleEast6.asp

-Bank wise, think about the technology we have today. Think about the number of contractors we have over there restoring order. I don't remember the exact number, but Im sure there are enough to get it flowing quicker than a primitive (in comparison) banking system of 60 years ago.

-The Nazis? They were not near as effective as the Sunni's and Shiites at creating havoc. As you repeatedly say, they'll blow anybody up. They're martyrs. They don't give a damn! The Nazis weren't running around blowing people up, and if you look deeper (really look) you'll find that some sources point out that they didn't kill anyone post-WWII. The Nazis were crazy, yes, but they weren't Jihadists. Not to label every Shiite and Sunni a crazy Jihadist, but there are enough.

subgenius88 · Post by **subgenius88** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:39 pm

sevesd93 wrote:
conley wrote:I was simply posing a few questions.....stepping "outside of the box" a bit.
I know, but i think you would piss less people off playing music.

That's bull sh*t. People with your point of view piss me off, so why don't you shut the f**k up for once?

sevesd93 · Post by **sevesd93** » Sun Sep 30, 2007 7:12 am

subgenius88 wrote:
sevesd93 wrote:
conley wrote:I was simply posing a few questions.....stepping "outside of the box" a bit.
I know, but i think you would piss less people off playing music.
That's bull sh*t. People with your point of view piss me off, so why don't you shut the f**k up for once?

Cause my internet balls are bigger than yours and I don't have to.

Morphine Child · Post by **Morphine Child** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 9:16 pm

bassjones wrote:
The_Dude wrote:Meanwhile...Bin Laden isn't being "dealt with" now.
Actually, we almost had him again last week. He's got quite an elaborate protection system in place. Doesn't help that Pakistan is scared to death of him and won't help much.

Not to beat a dead horse further, but I was thinking about this today...

You're saying he has an elaborate protection system in place against one the United States Army/Marines/Air Force/whomever the hell else we send in to try and kill his ass? I've really have to question just how hard they're looking considering it's been SIX FREAKIN' YEARS! Almost had him. haha. Bin Laden is worthless at the time anyways, so it's not a huge deal that we get him, but come on, man.

On Pakistan: it's not that Pakistan is afraid of him, it's that they're a different culture. Having spoken to people that have lived in the same area of Pakistan that he is supposedly lurking in, it's not that they're afraid of him, it's their culture that is going to keep them from turning Bin Laden over. You end up in their part of the country and you're their guests and they'll do anything to help or protect you...even if it's as simple as saying, "we don't know where he is." They don't think in terms of "Osama Bin Laden, Mr. Al Queda who attacked the World Trade Center". There's a good chance they don't know a damn thing about that, and probably don't give a sh*t either way. Your bias that everyone thinks the same as you, however, would believe you to conclude otherwise. It would believe you to believe everyone in Pakistan is tuned into CNN and scanning foxnews.com to see the latest on a terrorist who attacked a building which has absolutely nothing to do with their small village. Which would, once again, make you wrong.