UFC 61 - Bitter Rivals

The_Dude · Post by **The_Dude** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 10:04 am

Anyone else catch this?

I hate Ortiz AND Shamrock but I'm glad Ortiz won that match.

I had hoped for a different outcome in the Arlovski/Sylvia but I wasn't terribly disappointed. Arlovski will challenge again, I'm sure.

Liddell -vs- Babalu @ UFC 62

Liddell -vs- Wanderlei Silva @ TBD

That being said...after watching Silva call Liddell "out" the other night, the UFC has taken the turn towards becoming the next WWF/WWE. Totally staged. Weak.

QWETTY · Post by **QWETTY** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 2:10 pm

i was supposed to go to my ocusins house to watch this but plans changed.

i also hate ortiz and shamrock.... but i wish shamrock would of won.

heaven's chimney · Post by **heaven's chimney** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 4:22 pm

Missed it - but whatever. Totally disappointing all around. (I was up till 1 am getting the results from mmaforum.com)

tony2tone · Post by **tony2tone** » Tue Jul 11, 2006 9:36 am

why is everybody so pissed??
im gonna order it today and see what is really goin on.

The_Dude · Post by **The_Dude** » Tue Jul 11, 2006 10:13 am

tony2tone wrote:why is everybody so pissed??
im gonna order it today and see what is really goin on.

I'm not pissed. Who's pissed?

I think people were disappointed that the Ortiz/Shamrock fight lasted only 1:15. And the Arlovski/Sylvia match lacked action.

I think the main problem is that everyone is expecting EVERY match to be the best match they've ever seen. That's not going to happen. The only way it WILL happen is if outcomes are pre-determined.

I don't like that the UFC is getting so big now. Once those ratings start to decline, they're going to have to do everything they can to keep them up. Whatever attracts fans. If you saw 61 the other night, you know what I mean when I say the Liddell/Silva "call-out" was staged. It was ultra-lame. But it's good for the ratings, right, which is also good for the UFC, right? Nope.

bassjones · Post by **bassjones** » Tue Jul 11, 2006 11:05 am

I give them credit for telling Don King to take a flying leap though - twice, at least! As long as the fights themselves aren't staged, I could care less about all the silly b.s. like callouts and that.

heaven's chimney · Post by **heaven's chimney** » Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:04 pm

they've been doing callouts forever - tito ortiz's entire career for example.

i think it's WAY too premature to say they're turning into the WWF. that's where they USED to be. the UFC has been around over 10 years or so. it doesn't need the mainstream to survive - it never has. i can't really see any problems because it's getting mainstream attention - except kids fighting more than they normally would (eg: backyard wrestling).

holy crap, i like watching MMA on tv way more than in person. it's so hick-ish in person.

The_Dude · Post by **The_Dude** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 9:22 am

heaven's chimney wrote:they've been doing callouts forever - tito ortiz's entire career for example.

Right, but none have ever been as cheezy as that crap the other night.

i think it's WAY too premature to say they're turning into the WWF. that's where they USED to be. the UFC has been around over 10 years or so. it doesn't need the mainstream to survive - it never has. i can't really see any problems because it's getting mainstream attention - except kids fighting more than they normally would (eg: backyard wrestling).

I wouldn't go so far as to say it's already turning that way. I was just making a point that it was cheezy and completely unbelievable.

holy crap, i like watching MMA on tv way more than in person. it's so hick-ish in person.

Not to mention the fact that you actually get to see what's going on if you watch it on TV. Though I've never been to an MMA event, I'd guess it's pretty hard to know what's going on all the time.

heaven's chimney · Post by **heaven's chimney** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 12:47 pm

yeah, i didn't even see what you're referring to. i hope it's not too bad. i hope that dana white wouldn't let that sh*t happen. he seems to be pretty sharp and seems to know where to take the ufc.

but then again....

HillgrassBluebillyFTW · Wed Jul 12, 2006 4:02 pm

I miss the old UFC where the fighters were everyday people...

you could see a 40 year old "bar bully" in a fight with a 30 year old black belt... that's what I wanna see.

deek · Post by **deek** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 4:35 pm

Ummmm...when were UFC fighters ever just everyday people? I think you are getting things mixed up with other fighting associations.

I used to watch a lot of UFC, mainly on VHS, back about 10-12 years ago. My buddy was big into it...back then (UFC 1 thru 8 mainly), you still had skilled fighters. Gracie was king...

What I liked about it was, there were no rounds or time limits...no weight classes and about the only rules I can remember back then were no eye gouging or fishhoooking...everything else was legal. Granted, some of the submission fighters would drag on a fight for 15-20 minutes...and it was all on the ground and pretty boring...but other than that, it was pretty cool...

The_Dude · Post by **The_Dude** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 4:42 pm

deek wrote:Ummmm...when were UFC fighters ever just everyday people? I think you are getting things mixed up with other fighting associations.

I think he's referring to the non-weight class era. To the casual viewer it probably looked like they were every day people.

I used to watch a lot of UFC, mainly on VHS, back about 10-12 years ago. My buddy was big into it...back then (UFC 1 thru 8 mainly), you still had skilled fighters.

There are plenty of skilled fighters now, too.

What I liked about it was, there were no rounds or time limits...no weight classes and about the only rules I can remember back then were no eye gouging or fishhoooking...everything else was legal. Granted, some of the submission fighters would drag on a fight for 15-20 minutes...and it was all on the ground and pretty boring...but other than that, it was pretty cool...

I like that there are rounds and time limits now. More action, more fights on the card, not as boring.

deek · Post by **deek** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 4:53 pm

Maybe...but from what I remember, about everyone had some sort of training. Now guys like Tank, which was one of my favorites, could probably be classified as not having martial arts training of any sort (I think), but he wasn't just an everyday dude off the street...

I think the time limits are ok, but it was not like every fight without them would go long and be boring. There were plenty of fights I remember watching that were done and over in under a minute...

heaven's chimney · Post by **heaven's chimney** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:07 pm

i agree with deek that they were pretty average dudes.

(i hated tank. wait, still do.)

the old ufc fights are noticably crazier. i get that weird, anxious feeling that i get when i watch a real fight when i watch old ufc. i dont with new ufc - which is one reason i like the new ufc.

has anyone seen the documentary The Smashing Machine? It's about Mark Kerr. Total essential viewing.

bassjones · Post by **bassjones** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 6:27 pm

(i hated tank. wait, still do.)

And just when I was starting to like you...

I loved Tank. That fight where he just walked out to the center of the ring and knocked the guy with one punch, 9 seconds in was unreal. That dude was out cold!