Similarities between PotC2:DMC and Empire Strikes Back

Massage...Bored · Post by **Massage...Bored** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 11:46 am

!!!!Warning May Contain Spoilers!!!!

Here's the comparisons I have made in my two viewings of the film. These are mostly compared to Empire with a couple from Jedi.

Let me go from the beginning:

- The three main characters are all seperated within the first act of the film.

- Johnny Depp = Han Solo, Orlando Bloom = Luke Skywalker, Keira Knightley = Leia, Norrington = Lando, the two slapstick pirates from the first film = R2-D2 and C-3P0, Davey Jones = Vader, Lord Beckett = Emperor Palpatine, Beckett's mostly silent assassin = Boba Fett (All of these are eerily close descriptions.)

- They speak of Depp's ship like they do of the Millenium Falcon.

- They travel to a "dark, swampy, creepy bayou" and seek the "wisdom" of some "mystic" that speaks in sorta-kinda riddles, ala Yoda.

- Jones' Kracken sea monster can be compared to the Death Star or a Super Star Destroyer.

- At one point in a sword fight, Bloom dips his blade into a drum of oil and then breaks open a lamp, creating a flaming blade. I'm pretty sure this is a lightsaber reference, and a very clever one at that.

- Davey Jones has a tragic back story just like Vader, he's a conflicted villain.

- Bloom meets his father for the first time, another classic Empire moment.

- Depp (somewhat) sacrifices himself for the good of the crew, much like Han Solo frozen in the carbonite.

- It ends on a terrific cliffhanger like Empire does, it leaves you salivating for the next film.

Here's the Jedi references:

- They are captured by cannibals and the way Bloom is caught is a lot like the Endor trapping by the Ewoks.

- When Bloom is brought into the camp he is tied to a log in the same fashion that Luke is in Jedi.

- Depp is somehow their cheif and only he understands them and negotiates with them like C-3P0.

- The Kracken is very Sarlack Pit-esque, very much so.

All of these similarities are strange and you'd think it would hurt the film if a Star Wars fan can easily pick-up on them. It does not, it doesn't feel like they are ripping off Empire at all, its just....oddly familiar, and I like that.

david sumner · Post by **david sumner** » Sat Jul 08, 2006 12:55 pm

strange - i found there to be more similarities with the killing of a chinese bookie - but then again ive never seen any of these - what did you call em - star wars films

Grindspine · Post by **Grindspine** » Sun Jul 09, 2006 3:38 pm

How could one go wrong copying such a large grossing series?

I always hated the cliffhanger ending of Empire though. It always left a feeling of unfulfillment.

Massage...Bored · Post by **Massage...Bored** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 10:35 am

Grindspine wrote:How could one go wrong copying such a large grossing series?

I always hated the cliffhanger ending of Empire though. It always left a feeling of unfulfillment.

But at the same time....you know you f*ckin' love that movie.

david sumner · Post by **david sumner** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 11:57 am

its that thing where it makes it difficult or unfulfilling to watch it as just a stand alone film - but as far as cliffhangers go - its really good*

*im just guessing - since ive never seen it

LowLife · Post by **LowLife** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 8:57 pm

yep i think.................yep it was right i feel some sort of disagreement coming!