I really can't say I approve...

[Mama Dragon]

I also fail to see how my hated and malice is displaced when it is aimed at a specific target that is known to be a main cause of suffering for a number of nations including his own and an all-around rotten human being to begin with.

I'm sorry, I didn't clearly state what I meant.

I was saying that the malice and hatred carries over to simple freedom fighters that don't want their country invaded by foreign forces. These guys don't deserve your hatred, if you were in their postion I doubt you'd sit back and let the tanks roll in.

Bin Laden a mega douche for sure, and he deserves to pay for his crimes against humanity. I would like to see him captured and put on trial and then placed in a concrete shed in Siberia and left with only burned chitlin's to eat for the rest of his years with no human contact or windows. There are fates worse than death.

Fixed.

And yes, my hatred generally tends to have very specific targets. I would treat serial killers, serial rapists, and child molesters no different, I would be quite happy to bathe in their blood and celebrate their deaths as well.

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I also fail to see how my hated and malice is displaced when it is aimed at a specific target that is known to be a main cause of suffering for a number of nations including his own and an all-around rotten human being to begin with.

I'm sorry, I didn't clearly state what I meant.

I was saying that the malice and hatred carries over to simple freedom fighters that don't want their country invaded by foreign forces. These guys don't deserve your hatred, if you were in their postion I doubt you'd sit back and let the tanks roll in.

Bin Laden a mega douche for sure, and he deserves to pay for his crimes against humanity. I would like to see him captured and put on trial and then placed in a concrete shed in Siberia and left with only burned chitlin's to eat for the rest of his years with no human contact or windows. There are fates worse than death.

Fixed.

And yes, my hatred generally tends to have very specific targets. I would treat serial killers, serial rapists, and child molesters no different, I would be quite happy to bathe in their blood and celebrate their deaths as well.

I guess I shouldn't expect anything less from a chick that reads comics.

[sharkmansix]

I'm just surprised how willing everyone is to kill another human being. I highly doubt any here would have the stones to do so.

Anyways, time to quote Dave Berry:

Thus the metric system did not really catch on in the States, unless you count the increasing popularity of the nine-millimeter bullet.

Violence the one true American export.

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I'm just surprised how willing everyone is to kill another human being.

No sh*t!

[bassjones]

I hardly consider Bin Laden or Zarkawi (however you spell it) human beings.

And if you think WE exported violence to the Middle East, you need to read some non-fiction history books on occasion.

[Mama Dragon]

I'm just surprised how willing everyone is to kill another human being. I highly doubt any here would have the stones to do so.

Don't count on it, I have them. I keep them in nicely labeled jars on my desk. "Ex-husband #1", "Ex-husband #2", etc.

Anyways, time to quote Dave Berry:

Thus the metric system did not really catch on in the States, unless you count the increasing popularity of the nine-millimeter bullet.

Violence the one true American export.

"We just took out seven guys. One more and you qualify for American citizenship."
-Vecchio to Fraiser, due South

But seriously, having worked in the criminal law field, I've seen what monsters some people can be and what they're capable of. I have no qualms about hastening their trip to whatever hells might be waiting for them, or at the very least removing them from this planet so they cannot commit those atrocities on anyone else.

[sharkmansix]

Don't count on it, I have them. I keep them in nicely labeled jars on my desk. "Ex-husband #1", "Ex-husband #2", etc.

There's an interesting book I read entitled: 'On Killing : The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society'.

It's pretty interesting stuff, written by a military psychologist and it's based on his research and expierence. If you honestly have the stones to kill another human being I have to wonder what kind of psychological trauma you've been exposed to. Killing another human being goes against almost all of our norms and cultural values.

And if you think WE exported violence to the Middle East, you need to read some non-fiction history books on occasion.

Seriously. How is not sending in an amry not exporting violence?

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Seriously. How is not sending in an amry, at least twice, not exporting violence?

Fixed!

[bassjones]

first time we were asked to come bail out Kuwait when Hussein invaded them. second time, not going to start the circular argument about that again.

I was refering to the history of the middle east, going back to the byzantine empire - even earlier. violence, violence, and more violence. A

[Al Quandt]

I have to say that I actually like this discussion. Some brief sarcasm aside, this is the first talk that I have seen both side fought by equal parties and good cases on both.

just thought that was neat.


now back on topic.

[sharkmansix]

I totally agree Bassjones; we didn't start the violence. However I don't think we've taken steps in the right direction to end it either.

[Mama Dragon]

Killing another human being goes against almost all of our norms and cultural values.

Yes, but those norms and cultural values go against our biological nature, which has been around much longer.

To kill a few monsters in human skin in order to protect those smaller and weaker that they would prey upon is not much different than pruning the dead branches from a bush so that whatever infection killed that branch does not spread to kill the rest of the plant.

[sharkmansix]

Yes, but those norms and cultural values go against our biological nature, which has been around much longer.

So we only follow our biological nature? Is it OK to steal, rape, etc.? That's part of our biological nature too.

To kill a few monsters in human skin in order to protect those smaller and weaker that they would prey upon is not much different than pruning the dead branches from a bush so that whatever infection killed that branch does not spread to kill the rest of the plant.

I think it's a good thing the military took this guy out. However, I don't think the media is portraying this for news sake, but rather for the sake of shock. I also see it as a vain attempt to get everyone back on the war bandwagon. Just because this one man is dead doesn't mean that the violence will end.

Unfortunally with our course of action we don't remove the infected part of the bush, we uproot it and then hack off the bits we don't like. Then after ramming it back into the ground we are surprised to find it won't grow how we think it should.

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IMHO we're not winning the hearts and minds of Iraq; we're pushing them away.

[deek]

Humanity breeds destruction...

I just don't see where it is the US's place to help out in other countries problems and affairs. 9/11 was tragic, but I am sure we have been killing people around all parts of the world for quite some time, under wraps...the simple nature of it being seen everywhere forced us to have to do something...

I don't know...part of me says we should have just said f'em, bolster our security and don't let it happen again and the other part says just bust their shite up long enough for the public to feel good about the body count then leave...this whole thing about trying to instill democracy and whatnot, is BS...

Democracy is not the most effective type of government in all parts of the world, but it seems that the US, in general, won't stop meddling in other people's business until everyone acts like us AND we are still on top...

I just think we, as a world, are in a cycle to continually destroy ourselves...and really for no good reason...

[Mama Dragon]

I didn't say it was okay to follow our biological nature fully, just that it is far deeper embedded in us than anything cultural.

The plant thing was a general reference to exercising the death penalty, not how the war is being run. Bit of a tangent, I know.

I just think we, as a world, are in a cycle to continually destroy ourselves...and really for no good reason...

That pretty much nails my ideas on humanity.