C-Webb retires

bassjones · Post by **bassjones** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 8:47 am

Hard to believe he's 35 and retiring after 15 years. Seems like just yesterday I was watching him play a state high school championship game, and calling that time out in the NCAA Finals game against NC.

Hall of Fame? 20/10 career averages usually gets you in. No rings, but neither does Barkley and neither did Malone. Chris is in that class of player.

Morphine Child · Post by **Morphine Child** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:45 am

Man, that's a tough one. He's definitely been solid and consistent like you said, but he's had his fair share of trouble over the years. He's been on 5 different times (Golden State, Sacremento, Philly, Detroit, and Washington), he's run into a few league and legal problems like the whole Michigan scandal, then he was suspended for a substance violation, right? But with him being shipped around to all those different teams, I don't know, it's hard to say. Just because someone may be a pain in the ass doesn't mean they don't deserve the hall of fame.

My overall gut instinct says, "No", but that's because he has never quite reached that celebrated status of a Barkley or Malone. I think everyone knew those guys, but not everyone knows about Webber in the same way. He's a great ball player though, I'll totally give him that. He's just had a few problems - but so did guys like Jordan and Pistol Pete to name a few.

After I read that he was retiring, I read a little bit more into him last night. I didn't know that that scandal went down like it did at Michigan...forfeiting games, removing banners, disassociation with CW until 2012...that's gotta really hurt! That fab five was incredible - at least what I remember of it, because I was only 10, I think. I was an IU fan, so I was excited when they beat Michigan during that two year run.

I don't know. I guess time will tell. Until then, and after, he'll always be the guy that called time out with no time outs. Poor bastard!

The_Dude · Post by **The_Dude** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:55 am

deek · Post by **deek** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:23 am

bassjones wrote:Hard to believe he's 35 and retiring after 15 years. Seems like just yesterday I was watching him play a state high school championship game, and calling that time out in the NCAA Finals game against NC.

Hall of Fame? 20/10 career averages usually gets you in. No rings, but neither does Barkley and neither did Malone. Chris is in that class of player.

C-Webb is not in the same class as Barkley or Malone, IMO. I think he could go in the high school or college hall of fame, but in the pros, he underachieved.

Just because you are a decent player and played a long time, should not guarantee you a spot in the NBA hall of fame. Heck, I don't even know where the guy has been playing the last couple of years. Not a difference maker, not a perennial all-star...in my book, that means no hall of fame.

bassjones · Post by **bassjones** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:46 am

The_Dude wrote:

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bassjones · Post by **bassjones** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:56 am

deek wrote:
bassjones wrote:Hard to believe he's 35 and retiring after 15 years. Seems like just yesterday I was watching him play a state high school championship game, and calling that time out in the NCAA Finals game against NC.

Hall of Fame? 20/10 career averages usually gets you in. No rings, but neither does Barkley and neither did Malone. Chris is in that class of player.
C-Webb is not in the same class as Barkley or Malone, IMO. I think he could go in the high school or college hall of fame, but in the pros, he underachieved.

Just because you are a decent player and played a long time, should not guarantee you a spot in the NBA hall of fame. Heck, I don't even know where the guy has been playing the last couple of years. Not a difference maker, not a perennial all-star...in my book, that means no hall of fame.

15 Year career. 20 points, 9 rebounds, 4 assists per game. One of six players all-time to do it. 4 of the other 6 are in the HOF. The 5th is Kevin Garnett who's still playing. The names on the list of people who've done that are Larry Bird, Billy Cunningham, Wilt Chamberlain, Elgin Baylor, and then Webber and Garnett. That's damn good company to be in... The last couple of years he's been hobbled by a surgically repaired knee that he initially injured in the 2003 playoffs. He's probably the best passing power forward in the history of the league. I'd actually take him over Malone or Barkley

If not for Kobe/Shaq and the incredibly lopsided officiating, he would have gone to at least one Championship Series, probably more if not for the injury. I think he's a hall of famer.

deek · Post by **deek** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:02 pm

I don't hate him or anything, I just don't think there is a magical set of numbers that grants you a pass to any sport's hall of fame. He played for 15 years, had solid numbers and was a good player. Not great. How many league MVPs? How many championships? Was he a leader on any team he was on? What did he do to make his team better?

Yeah, he stayed in the league 15 years and got his numbers...he got paid millions of dollars to do that...he's not entitled to the hall of fame just because he hit some stats. And for that matter, KG doesn't come off as hall of fame material either...

MrSpall · Post by **MrSpall** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:26 pm

I like C-Webb. I really enjoyed watching his Sacramento teams back when Kobe/Shaq ruled the West. They were the only team that ever gave the Lakers a run, and I remember a couple of times that bad calls kept them out of the Finals.

That said, it's the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Really Good. If, when asked, you have to think of a player and his hall status for more than a minute, the answer should be no. Sorry C-Webb, no hall for you.

The numbers are there, but I just don't see it.

Sankofa · Post by **Sankofa** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 4:07 pm

Webber has to rank all time among useless stat collectors, not to mention highest paid college athletes.

G Fresh · Post by **G Fresh** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 4:26 pm

I don't think he is. For instance, one of my favorite college players of all time, Glenn Robinson, has had a similar career (11 years, 20.7 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 2.7 apg and 1.2 steals per game) plus he has a championship ring as part of the 2005 Spurs, but I doubt that he'll make the HOF, nor would I necessarily expect him to. He kept himself too low-key throughout his career despite being an integral part of his teams, especially during his early seasons.

deek · Post by **deek** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 4:44 pm

Great example, G Fresh. Another great college player that has put up good numbers in the NBA...but certainly not HOF-worthy. There's quite a few player in the NBA, that after 10+ years, have some good numbers, but that shouldn't be the only judge...HOF players should be exception in their given playing period. Cream of the crop...noteworthy...something. Just being there and doing a good job shouldn't grant you accolades.

The_Dude · Post by **The_Dude** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 4:57 pm

Shawn Bradley should be in the HoF.

Sankofa · Post by **Sankofa** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 5:12 pm

The_Dude wrote:Shawn Bradley is the HoF.

G Fresh · Post by **G Fresh** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 5:52 pm

Sankofa wrote:
The_Dude wrote:Shawn Bradley is the HoF.

Nice 'Princess Bride' reference.

Morphine Child · Post by **Morphine Child** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 5:55 pm

G Fresh wrote:I don't think he is. For instance, one of my favorite college players of all time, Glenn Robinson

When I was in 7th grade and at a basketball camp, one of Glenn Robinson's teammates from Purdue came to talk to us. Glenn had barely been able to stay on the team (and for awhile was a Prop. 48 - too dumb to play), and so I asked the dude, "Is Glenn Robinson really as dumb as everyone thinks?" The guy replied with, "Well...he's really good with cars?" A nice way to avoid the question. My coach said that was a bonehead question, but I was 12, and IU and Purdue were big rivals back then!

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