Lies, Lies and the Lying Liars who tell them

bassjones · Post by **bassjones** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:27 pm

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/election2008 ... 35337.html

Morphine Child · Post by **Morphine Child** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:58 pm

Hillary would be far better off is she stopped talking...yep...anytime now Hillary.

Hey, we agree on something!

The dems are going to tear each other apart (and themselves apart) so much before the actual election that neither one of them will have much chance. Now if I could just convince myself that this war on terror is a good thing I may be able to vote for McCain!

WBOB · Post by **WBOB** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 1:06 pm

Morphine Child wrote:Hillary would be far better off is she stopped talking...yep...anytime now Hillary. Hey, we agree on something!

The dems are going to tear each other apart (and themselves apart) so much before the actual election that neither one of them will have much chance. Now if I could just convince myself that this war on terror is a good thing I may be able to vote for McCain!

Interesting! This isn't helping me for who to pull the lever for on Tuesday.

Honestly have no passion for any of the top three....probably will go the "who will take us to hell" at the slowest pace possible route.

The more I think about the war on terror,...the more I think that it's possibly a diversion.

Morphine Child · Post by **Morphine Child** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 1:08 pm

A passing diversion...now it's GO GREEN! Another annoyance. And giant marketing scheme? Seems to be making a lot of people a lot of money.

bassjones · Post by **bassjones** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 1:18 pm

Morphine Child wrote:A passing diversion...now it's GO GREEN! Another annoyance. And giant marketing scheme? Seems to be making a lot of people a lot of money.

You're starting to sound like me... except the whole God/Creation v. Evolution thing....

MrSpall · Post by **MrSpall** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 1:52 pm

This really is Hillary's great paradox. She wants to talk about all of the experience she amassed as the first lady, and how she quielty helped run things from behind the scenes. But when anybody points out some of that administration's failures she talks about how she can't be held responsible for what happened when her husbnd was president. WHICH IS IT?

Her whole campaign seems paradoxical to me. She started out running against Barack based on her experience. Once she realized people wanted change she started talking about how she was the choice to change the culture in Washington. But when asked why she's better than Barack she still points to her experience and that she 'knows the system'. She spends entire campaign stops stumping against the Washington establishment, then begs us to vote for her because she is most familiar with said establishment.

She can't have it both ways.

Go Barack.

deek · Post by **deek** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 1:54 pm

I'd like the best liar possible in the presidential position.

bassjones · Post by **bassjones** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 2:14 pm

that would be the one who hasn't been caught lying right? McCain... who is still a liar.

Oliver's Army · Post by **Oliver's Army** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 2:30 pm

Again...

Those who speak in absolutes are usually wrong.

deek · Post by **deek** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 2:41 pm

Oliver's Army wrote:Again...

Those who speak in absolutes are usually wrong.

You give me an example of a person (of age to be a politician) that has never lied and I will give you an example of a person who speaks in absolutes that is never wrong...

Oliver's Army · Post by **Oliver's Army** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 2:51 pm

All politicians never lie, ever.

Prove me wrong.

There is ALWAYS a spin on EVERYTHING.

Never "lies".

Occasionally the cup is half *full*.

Sorry guys but your continued bashing of the candidates and their "lies" only make you look like a hypocrite when you vote for someone else.

Because they ALL lie, right?

Tell me about YOUR candidates lies and lend credibility to your stand.

WBOB · Post by **WBOB** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 3:17 pm

"I did not have sex with that woman"

deek · Post by **deek** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 3:36 pm

I honestly was not bashing anyone, so if you are replying in my direction, please don't misunderstand my comments as bashing any candidate.

My comments are simple. Candidates are People. People are Human. Humans lie. No hidden agenda there.

As to the candidate, I think it is naive to think that what they say now to get elected is going to transition into how effective they will be in office. So, lies or no lies, it really doesn't matter to me and shouldn't matter to voters, because again, everyone is human and lies. Some are bigger than others, but everyone does it, so don't try to force me to pick one person or another saying they don't lie.

And again, my honest opinion is that having someone in the white house that can lie and not get caught, is a much better president. Its not like this is a monarchy. One person, even the president, is not going to single-handedly change the US. The president is a big part of that, but so is the congress...

I don't have a candidate...I am not trying to push for McCain, Obama or Clinton. I'm just tired of hearing people say this person or that person lies and that should somehow alter my decision...it doesn't and AGAIN, because everyone lies...so get over it!

bassjones · Post by **bassjones** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 4:42 pm

all politicians lie because all humans lie. I do, you do, he does, she does. I'm talking about major, deal-breaking lies like the ones Ms. Rodham-Clinton likes to spin. The woman is pathological.

As to Obama, I'm not buying his excuses anymore. Wright is saying the same things he's always said and which you have heard a million times, only now he's embarrasing you and might cost you the election. Buyer's remorse. 6 months ago, I thought he was an honest guy whose vision for the future of the country I strongly disagreed with. Nope. He's a liar too. Call me disillusioned, but yeah, they're all pretty much liars and power whores. Including the one I'll vote for and the one I voted for before and the one I'll vote for next time too. Until Jesus runs, I don't really trust any of them. Politicians are like diapers. Full of sh*t and in constant need of changing.

Oliver's Army · Post by **Oliver's Army** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:09 pm

So Jones, you live in a constant state of paranoia, distrust, anger and frustration.

Sucks to be you.