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RICHMOND, Va. – The crowded, chaotic sidewalk on Main Street, across from the federal courthouse, was an unlikely location for a lesson on the virtues of the fifth amendment.
But standing behind a throng that wanted a pound of Michael Vick's flesh – people that had just screamed for the Atlanta Falcons quarterback to "burn in hell" and held signs advocating his murder, torture and neutering – was Thomas Smith in work boots and a white t-shirt.
High above his head he held a simple sign with just a single word: "Constitution."
"These folks have convicted a man who hasn't even had a chance to defend himself," said Smith. "They just forget everything about America."
But here was America in full force, full vision, mixing it up while Vick pled not guilty to federal charges pertaining to an alleged dog-fighting ring on property he owned in rural Surry County. And front and center, impossible to ignore, was race.
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Like Smith, almost all of the people supporting Vick or holding signs pleading for "due process" and "innocence until proven guilty" were African American.
On the other side was an emotional, angry, passionate anti-Vick group that was overwhelmingly white.
Certainly not every animal rights supporter was screaming for Vick to die. Many were just there to support the cause of caring for animals, ending the barbaric practice of dog fighting and using the massive media presence to benefit good.
But a significant number were focused on Vick. When he emerged from a black SUV and made a slow walk up a ramp and into the courthouse, they pushed toward police barriers and let loose.
"Burn in hell you (expletive) (expletive)," repeatedly screamed one woman.
"Die like those dogs," shouted another.
Not long after Vick got inside the courthouse – and in a scene that was repeated when he left less than two hours later – the two sides clashed in shouted voices and dueling signs.
White people screaming for justice; black people asking if they still remember everything justice entails.
That a case involving dog fighting can break so quickly along racial lines is a testament to how it bubbles below just about everything in this country. We all wish it wasn't so, including both sides here. No one wanted this. Almost no one even wanted to acknowledge it. But it was there, plain as day in black and white.
"I wouldn't say it's a racial thing," said David Williams, an African American, in a hopeful tone. "It's not racial. But for these animal rights people to take one person and crucify him isn't fair."
The thing is, the "animal rights people" here were an estimated 90 percent white. The pro-Vick/due process crowd was probably 95 percent black.
Obviously, both animal rights advocates and due process proponents come in all colors. And certainly a circus show like this, revved up by a massive media presence, isn't representative of America.
But, then again, I also know what I saw and what I heard.
"They are not going to give the man a chance?" Williams said. "You're innocent until proven guilty. He hasn't even had a trial yet."
There should be two undeniable, 100 percent agreed upon truths concerning this case: First, dog fighting is a barbaric felony and whoever participated in it on Vick's property should get hammered by the justice system.
Second, Vick deserves the right to defend against the charges. The indictment cites four "cooperating witnesses," but presuming each is a dog fighter himself, potentially facing prosecution unless they rolled on Vick, who and how reliable are they?
That said, the U.S. Attorney's office is known for its detail and diligence – this isn't some hack county prosecutor like the Duke lacrosse case. They rarely lose, so the challenge for Vick is serious and significant. But he has the right to fight.
"This is going to be a hard-fought trial," agreed Billy Martin, Vick's attorney.
It may not be any less intense than the scene out on Main Street, where two sides, clearly divided and easily identifiable, both anchored in righteous beliefs and moral causes went at it.
Two black women held a sign declaring: "I support Mike Vick due process." That caused vocal jeering from the protesters, which in turn caused the women to taunt them back by waving the sign at them. Later two men had to be separated by security as their debate descended toward physical confrontation, all as a crowd surrounded shouting in all directions.
And on and on it went on this hot Southern sidewalk.
Dan Wetzel is Yahoo! Sports' national columnist. Send Dan a question or comment for potential use in a future column or webcast.
Where were all these people during the Duke Lacrosse fiasco?
But standing behind a throng that wanted a pound of Michael Vick's flesh – people that had just screamed for the Atlanta Falcons quarterback to "burn in hell" and held signs advocating his murder, torture and neutering – was Thomas Smith in work boots and a white t-shirt.
High above his head he held a simple sign with just a single word: "Constitution."
"These folks have convicted a man who hasn't even had a chance to defend himself," said Smith. "They just forget everything about America."
But here was America in full force, full vision, mixing it up while Vick pled not guilty to federal charges pertaining to an alleged dog-fighting ring on property he owned in rural Surry County. And front and center, impossible to ignore, was race.
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Like Smith, almost all of the people supporting Vick or holding signs pleading for "due process" and "innocence until proven guilty" were African American.
On the other side was an emotional, angry, passionate anti-Vick group that was overwhelmingly white.
Certainly not every animal rights supporter was screaming for Vick to die. Many were just there to support the cause of caring for animals, ending the barbaric practice of dog fighting and using the massive media presence to benefit good.
But a significant number were focused on Vick. When he emerged from a black SUV and made a slow walk up a ramp and into the courthouse, they pushed toward police barriers and let loose.
"Burn in hell you (expletive) (expletive)," repeatedly screamed one woman.
"Die like those dogs," shouted another.
Not long after Vick got inside the courthouse – and in a scene that was repeated when he left less than two hours later – the two sides clashed in shouted voices and dueling signs.
White people screaming for justice; black people asking if they still remember everything justice entails.
That a case involving dog fighting can break so quickly along racial lines is a testament to how it bubbles below just about everything in this country. We all wish it wasn't so, including both sides here. No one wanted this. Almost no one even wanted to acknowledge it. But it was there, plain as day in black and white.
"I wouldn't say it's a racial thing," said David Williams, an African American, in a hopeful tone. "It's not racial. But for these animal rights people to take one person and crucify him isn't fair."
The thing is, the "animal rights people" here were an estimated 90 percent white. The pro-Vick/due process crowd was probably 95 percent black.
Obviously, both animal rights advocates and due process proponents come in all colors. And certainly a circus show like this, revved up by a massive media presence, isn't representative of America.
But, then again, I also know what I saw and what I heard.
"They are not going to give the man a chance?" Williams said. "You're innocent until proven guilty. He hasn't even had a trial yet."
There should be two undeniable, 100 percent agreed upon truths concerning this case: First, dog fighting is a barbaric felony and whoever participated in it on Vick's property should get hammered by the justice system.
Second, Vick deserves the right to defend against the charges. The indictment cites four "cooperating witnesses," but presuming each is a dog fighter himself, potentially facing prosecution unless they rolled on Vick, who and how reliable are they?
That said, the U.S. Attorney's office is known for its detail and diligence – this isn't some hack county prosecutor like the Duke lacrosse case. They rarely lose, so the challenge for Vick is serious and significant. But he has the right to fight.
"This is going to be a hard-fought trial," agreed Billy Martin, Vick's attorney.
It may not be any less intense than the scene out on Main Street, where two sides, clearly divided and easily identifiable, both anchored in righteous beliefs and moral causes went at it.
Two black women held a sign declaring: "I support Mike Vick due process." That caused vocal jeering from the protesters, which in turn caused the women to taunt them back by waving the sign at them. Later two men had to be separated by security as their debate descended toward physical confrontation, all as a crowd surrounded shouting in all directions.
And on and on it went on this hot Southern sidewalk.
Dan Wetzel is Yahoo! Sports' national columnist. Send Dan a question or comment for potential use in a future column or webcast.
Where were all these people during the Duke Lacrosse fiasco?
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Vick should not lose any pay at this point. He is only under indictment and has not been convicted of anything. The firms should suspend him pending investigation, following the clauses they have in their associated contracts.
But if he is guilty, then it's all over. He should start liquidating assets and kissing asses in order to get the lowest charge possible.
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But if he is guilty, then it's all over. He should start liquidating assets and kissing asses in order to get the lowest charge possible.
Does OJ have a new golfing buddy?
Well, that is because this has nothing to do with race...which is a nice thing, IMO. I think it does show the makeup of the animal rights group though...WBOB wrote:Strangely,... Al & Jesse seem to be mysteriously quiet on this......
Personally, I don't care if it Vick or Joe Schmoe. I am sure there are many animal rights cases going on all the time, but I am glad that I don't hear about them, because while I believe its a travesty, I don't really care to be bombarded by the media on it all the time.
Let the trial figure out what happened and who is guilty (and not guilty). I just think its sad that whenever a "celebrity" is involved, the media makes it a lot bigger deal, and in my book, its not. A celebrity isn't above the law and they are not any more important than anyone else, they just get their face in front of more people and make more money than everyone else.
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deek wrote:Well, that is because this has nothing to do with race...which is a nice thing, IMO. I think it does show the makeup of the animal rights group though...WBOB wrote:Strangely,... Al & Jesse seem to be mysteriously quiet on this......
then,..... what's,......
this.....?That a case involving dog fighting can break so quickly along racial lines is a testament to how it bubbles below just about everything in this country.
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I think that is "a" media slant. Do you really think there would be any less of an outcry if say, Brad Pitt was going to a federal trial on dog fighting charges??? I don't think so.
Now, granted, I wouldn't say that 95% of the "Due Process" supporters would be black, but I am fairly certain that the animal rights racial makeup would be the same.
And I do stand behind what I said above, that a celebrity going to trial for dog fighting has nothing to do with race...its just that in this instance its Vick. Now if you are going to try and convince me that dog fighting is more rampant with one race than another, that is something different, but that has nothing to do with this "individual case"...
Now, granted, I wouldn't say that 95% of the "Due Process" supporters would be black, but I am fairly certain that the animal rights racial makeup would be the same.
And I do stand behind what I said above, that a celebrity going to trial for dog fighting has nothing to do with race...its just that in this instance its Vick. Now if you are going to try and convince me that dog fighting is more rampant with one race than another, that is something different, but that has nothing to do with this "individual case"...
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most members of animal rights groups, extremist environmental groups, and other fringe kook groups are white, upper-middle class citizens with a lot of free time on their hands. Jesse and Al aren't there YET because they haven't figured out a way to steal the spotlight.
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and because they are not sure this guy isn't guilty...bassjones wrote:most members of animal rights groups, extremist environmental groups, and other fringe kook groups are white, upper-middle class citizens with a lot of free time on their hands. Jesse and Al aren't there YET because they haven't figured out a way to steal the spotlight.
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Again, if you start buying into the media slant on race...well, then you are going to think this is a race issue...I don't view it as one...its just an over-paid athlete devaluing animal lives for sport...white, black or brown...its just a matter of a high-profile guy like Vick getting charges filed against him...I am sure there would be just as much an uprising had this been Tom Brady...
I agree with bassjones...a lot of these groups are made up of white folks with a lot of free time on their hands...
I agree with bassjones...a lot of these groups are made up of white folks with a lot of free time on their hands...
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Since when has that ever stopped those two????sevesd93 wrote:and because they are not sure this guy isn't guilty...bassjones wrote:most members of animal rights groups, extremist environmental groups, and other fringe kook groups are white, upper-middle class citizens with a lot of free time on their hands. Jesse and Al aren't there YET because they haven't figured out a way to steal the spotlight.
Sharpton actually suggested Mike Tyson shouldn't go to prison for rape - even though he raped a black woman - because he was a role model for young black males.
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You make a valid pointbassjones wrote:Since when has that ever stopped those two????sevesd93 wrote:and because they are not sure this guy isn't guilty...bassjones wrote:most members of animal rights groups, extremist environmental groups, and other fringe kook groups are white, upper-middle class citizens with a lot of free time on their hands. Jesse and Al aren't there YET because they haven't figured out a way to steal the spotlight.
Sharpton actually suggested Mike Tyson shouldn't go to prison for rape - even though he raped a black woman - because he was a role model for young black males.
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I'd have to see Sharpton's comment, in context, before I take that as a valid point...I don't doubt he would say something like that, but I would want to see exactly what he said...from the source...I'm not too quick to pass judgement, even on someone I don't like or respect.
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The Vick thing is not about race for me, I was just as upset about everybody convicting him before his trial as I was about the Duke lacrosse situation. But I think it's interesting that the African-American community is talking about innocent until proven guilty in Vick's case, but they were screaming for the Duke players heads a day after they were accused.....
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Agreed!jtkennedy9 wrote:The Vick thing is not about race for me, I was just as upset about everybody convicting him before his trial as I was about the Duke lacrosse situation. But I think it's interesting that the African-American community is talking about innocent until proven guilty in Vick's case, but they were screaming for the Duke players heads a day after they were accused.....
Which is why Al & Jesse were brought up !
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It has already become a race issue. I would bet that many of those on Vick's side are only actively supporting him because he IS black. I don't know why, but it seems like there are so many instances in this country (O.J. Simpson) where when a black man is targeted for something, the whole African-American community feels the need to get behind them.



