Arguments against withdrawing early from Iraq

[bassjones]

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/16/world ... nted=print

Good article.

[MrSpall]

Maj. Gen. Rick Lynch, commanding 15,000 American and about 7,000 Iraqi troops on Baghdad’s southern approaches

Problem #1, shouldn't these numbers be reversed? If the Iraqis want the freedom we seem so intent on giving them, why are better than 2/3s of the people fighting for it still American?

the deadline of March 31 set by the Pentagon, which has said that limits on American troops available for deployment will force an end to the increase

Problem #2, near as I can tell, the officials in charge seem content to continually lengthen the stays of the troops already over there. They say March 31st now, but when it rolls around, they'll just announce that they're keeping everyone over there a bit longer.

“There’s just not enough of them.â€

[sevesd93]

1. Bring them Home.

2. Allow dictator to step in.

3. Kill him

4. Allow another Dictator to step in

5. Kill Him

6. Repeat these steps until no one wants the job

[bassjones]

first mistake we made (If you were on board for the initial invasion) was listening to Rummy and not putting enough troops there in the first place. the reports seem to be that security is getting much better and some provinces previously under Al Qaeda control are now under US/Iraqi control and once security improved people began coming forward and turning in the bad guys since they were no longer living in fear. What happens if we leave? Bad guys move back in and punish the citizenry for turning them in. I agree it's been a mess, but leaving early does nothing good at all. It subjects the Iraqi citizens to more tyranny and it makes us look weak, which is good for Al Qaeda.

[MrSpall]

What happens if we leave? Bad guys move back in and punish the citizenry for turning them in. I agree it's been a mess, but leaving early does nothing good at all. It subjects the Iraqi citizens to more tyranny and it makes us look weak, which is good for Al Qaeda.

This will happen no matter when we leave. That's the problem. We can leave early, we can leave late, the result is the same - except the later we leave the higher the American death toll rises.

Some would say that it's just a matter of time, and we'll have the Iraqi troops ready to defend against the 'bad guys'. We've been fighting there for four years now. It's not that we can't train troops in that time, it's that Iraqi civilians aren't willing to step up to the plate (especially while we are doing everything for them).

Plus, the longer we stay in Iraq, the more justification we give to those anti-Americans in the Middle East that claim we are attempting to be an imperial power and take over the world. The longer we occupy another country the more oppressive we appear. It's just another reason for them to hate us. I in no way believe that we are imperial, but let's stop making it look that way.

[Krieves]

1. Bring them Home.

2. Allow dictator to step in.

3. Kill him

4. Allow another Dictator to step in

5. Kill Him

6. Repeat these steps until no one wants the job

Good plan.

[bassjones]

It took over 10 years in Germany after WW2 to calm things down. There were still Nazis and Nazi sympathizers running around causing all kinds of havoc for a long time. They are stepping up to the plate, but it's taking time to train them. Many patrols are now higher in Iraqi troop numbers than US troop numbers. If we can get things more secure then gradually begin pulling back troops we'll be much better off. Also, sorry but our death toll isn't that high. At Geddysburg, both sides lost over 20,000 troops in a 3 day battle. At D-Day, the alllies lost over 10,000. In Vietnam we lost over 75,000. Any loss of life is horrible, but on a pure numbers scale, we haven't suffered many losses at all.

[WBOB]

Withdrawing too soon from Iraq would probably result in the following:

1. AlQueda is emboldend and accelerates their agenda
of more death of infidels

2. Iran moves in from one side, Turkey(who's already got troops
amassed on Iraq's northern border) moves in from another side.

3. What's left of the new Iraqi government is overrun or plain collapses.
Shites, Sunnis, Kurds truly divide.

4. Gasoline at home shoots up to $7.00/per gallon.

5. Nothing holds Al Queda back from keeping their attention on the US!

6. ??????

[lbanks]

1. Bring them Home.

2. Allow dictator to step in.

3. Kill him

4. Allow another Dictator to step in

5. Kill Him

6. Repeat these steps until no one wants the job

This plan shows hope for the future!

[The Hammer]

The issue is not Iraq. Iraq is just the battlefield. If we leave Iraq, we will have given the people that hate us some prime real-estate to marshal their forces with a major propaganda tool which is the USA is weak and can be defeated. The enemy numbers will mushroom. Then it just won’t be the Iraqi people that we betrayed; it will be most of the world.

We will fight this war somewhere. It is best for us if we make that choice on the offense rather than have it made for us on the defense. We just have to get the people in charge to pull there heads out of their **s’s instead of pulling out the troops.

[WBOB]

The issue is not Iraq. Iraq is just the battlefield. If we leave Iraq, we will have given the people that hate us some prime real-estate to marshal their forces with a major propaganda tool which is the USA is weak and can be defeated. The enemy numbers will mushroom. Then it just won’t be the Iraqi people that we betrayed; it will be most of the world.

You'll also see more of stuff like this.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/artic ... E_ID=56503

[Jambrea]

We just have to get the people in charge to pull there heads out of their **s’s instead of pulling out the troops.

I don't think the troops should leave. I think we need to set up a permanent base there just like Korea. Once everything is stable then we would just pull back enough to be there as a reminder.

[bassjones]

We just have to get the people in charge to pull there heads out of their **s’s instead of pulling out the troops.

I don't think the troops should leave. I think we need to set up a permanent base there just like Korea. Once everything is stable then we would just pull back enough to be there as a reminder.

Tell Garr he married a good woman

[Jambrea]

Tell Garr he married a good woman

Thanks!

Having been in the military as well as having a brother, sister and brother-in-law in the military helped me to shape my opinion.

[Bjart Sod]

I might be further left than the Democrats (and unlike most elected Democrats I was against the war at the start), but even I don't understand the arguments for leaving with 1/5 of the job done.