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Accomplishing their goal resulted in millions of innocent civilian deaths. And the same will happen in Iraq.


I'm guesing the counter would be that thousands if not millions had already died because of our actions. How many would have died if we hadn't cast the die?
Our being there didn't create Pol Pot and it certainly didn't create the VC. The VC was butchering people before we arrived and long after we left.
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The "Mission" of ridding Iraq of Hussein was accomplished. As much as it's fun to point out the now seemingly ridiculous nature of that banner, the mission to that point had been accomplished. I believe in his speech he stated "the job isn't finished yet" and went on to describe future goals and missions.


Except that photo-op occured before we captured Saddam.
The mission wasn't to capture him, it was to drive him out of power and take down the regime, which we did.
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I believe Iraq is more closely comparable to post WWII Germany. We are much further along in Iraq than we were in Germany at the same time points in reconstruction. I also think the Iraqi people recognize that their greatest threat is not the US military men and women, but the terrorists that are using their country to try and advance their 'cause'.


The Iraqi people see America as a threat because the violence has escalated since our arrival. We might not be doing the detonating; but they see us as a catalist.
Maybe some, but not all. I think the majority still welcomes us and is glad we drove Hussein out. The former Bathists certainly don't. I do think we may need to split the country into 3 independent autonomous regions with some sort of centralized power. It's not ideal, but it will stave off a civil war.
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We'll see what happens, but I still believe history will prove us to have been right.


Eh, I dunno. History has shown that the victors write the history books. It's all in the eye of the beholder.
We'll see where we're at in 20 years.
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Our being there didn't create Pol Pot and it certainly didn't create the VC. The VC was butchering people before we arrived and long after we left.
I'm confused here. Pol Pot was the head of the Khmer Rouge and eventually took control of Cambodia. The millions the KR killed were Cambodian. Cambodia was a neutral nation during the Vietnam war and we (except for some CIA stuff) go into Cambodia. In fact the KR went to war with Vietnam in 1979.

We didn't create either of them, the VC or Pol Pot.

Our being there only helped to fuel violence; because we were trying to force our ideals on a nation; adding to the already voliatle mix IMHO.
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I see it differently. We were trying to prevent a militant few (supported by the USSR) from imposing their ideals on the rest of the region. Also, we went in to bail (our ungrateful friends) France out - AGAIN. Lesson learned
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