Salman Rushdie has a new roommate

Massage...Bored · Post by **Massage...Bored** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 2:40 pm

bwohlgemuth wrote:

Fear the Beard!!!!!!!

This looks like stock photography from a soccer match.

WBOB · Post by **WBOB** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 2:52 pm

bassjones wrote:I voted no, and apparently I wasn't the only one or even in the minority.

surprised me too! I was expecting it to read the other
way being that the poll was from anywhere other than
the U.S.

bwohlgemuth · Post by **bwohlgemuth** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 3:38 pm

All I'm saying is it's misleading to the reader.

I call BS...it's from a story based on the same exact events. If I would have used stock footage of "angry muslims", then you have a point. You don't have one here...

This looks like stock photography from a soccer match.

Ahh yes, nice stereotype.

Every culture has it's problems. Look at America's predesposition to violence or our lust for celebrity and money. Our 'freedoms' that are limited by laws.

This depends on what you think is necessary for a culture to not only survive but thrive. Cultures are based on norms. Norms sometimes change over time, sometimes they don't. When cultures meet or intertwine, the best/most sensible portions of those cultures are the ones that survive. Hence the reason why we do not still carry on traditions from the 13th century. Yes, it's rather borg like, but then again so is evolution.

That's not the argument, what did Bush launch three years ago in the name of his God? It still happens.

Big difference. If Bush didn't want Islam to survive, he would have nuked it back to the glass age.

Bush wants those people to survive and thrive. I think he is extremely rooted in his religion, but he does NOT force it upon anyone. If you can show me a clear example where Bush has said something of the like, I will reconsider that position.

this dude · Post by **this dude** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 3:54 pm

Conservatism run amok. Should one wish it was 50 years ago or 500?

Christian martyr- dies innocent or protecting the innocent.
Muslim martyr- dies while killing innocents.

sharkmansix · Post by **sharkmansix** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 3:55 pm

I call BS...it's from a story based on the same exact events. If I would have used stock footage of "angry muslims", then you have a point. You don't have one here...

Except you're misleading the reader. They didn't know you linked to a second source. When I read the story I wondered, "where did that photo come from? Must need some more 'emotional impact'.

When cultures meet or intertwine, the best/most sensible portions of those cultures are the ones that survive. Hence the reason why we do not still carry on traditions from the 13th century. Yes, it's rather borg like, but then again so is evolution.

Talk about wishful thinking, our culture has absorbed a ton of unsensible norms throughout our countries history. Some have remained others have not.

Example: marriage. Culturally is serves a purpose and has for millenia. For different reasons.

The reason there are issues with homosexual marriage is the cultural norms placed on marriage. That isn't the most sensible thing IMHO but it's stuck for hundreds of years.

If you can show me a clear example where Bush has said something of the like, I will reconsider that position.

I think this is what Zach was refering to:

The President, at a moment of crisis, defines the communal response. A few days after the assault, George W. Bush did this. Speaking spontaneously, without the aid of advisers or speechwriters, he put a word on the new American purpose that both shaped it and gave it meaning. "This crusade," he said, "this war on terrorism."

From:
http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/19785/

I'm looking for his whole speech now.

bassjones · Post by **bassjones** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 4:18 pm

The President, at a moment of crisis, defines the communal response. A few days after the assault, George W. Bush did this. Speaking spontaneously, without the aid of advisers or speechwriters, he put a word on the new American purpose that both shaped it and gave it meaning. "This crusade," he said, "this war on terrorism."

Not a War on Islam, a Crusade against all of Islam or a war on all people of middle eastern heritage - a war on terrorism - i.e. that radical element of Islam, which will henceforth be referred to as Islamofascism. That's a far cry from Adolf Mohamed Hitler in Iran's declared desire to wipe the earth of all Jews and Christians and convert the rest to Islam by "the will or the sword"...

sharkmansix · Post by **sharkmansix** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 4:21 pm

Yes, it's rather borg like, but then again so is evolution.

Using Star Trek, is the culture of the federation then better then that of the Klingon Empire?

That's what I think of when one culture claims to be better then another.

this dude · Post by **this dude** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 8:17 pm

bassjones wrote:
The President, at a moment of crisis, defines the communal response. A few days after the assault, George W. Bush did this. Speaking spontaneously, without the aid of advisers or speechwriters, he put a word on the new American purpose that both shaped it and gave it meaning. "This crusade," he said, "this war on terrorism."
Not a War on Islam, a Crusade against all of Islam or a war on all people of middle eastern heritage - a war on terrorism - i.e. that radical element of Islam, which will henceforth be referred to as Islamofascism. That's a far cry from Adolf Mohamed Hitler in Iran's declared desire to wipe the earth of all Jews and Christians and convert the rest to Islam by "the will or the sword"...

Nothing fills me with the spirit like a blade at my throat

...So, how do we handle it without causing the extinction of their food sources, killing damn near everybody, and dumping the starving survivors on 'reservations' to convert THEM? Not baiting an argument, but can this be dealt with without going death-camp, or is our love of humanity going to be OUR undoing?

bassjones · Post by **bassjones** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 8:55 am

although some may think I'm lying, I don't believe it's all of 'them', just a relatively small, but very dangerous minority. Large enough to do some serious damage, in other words, especially given their insatiable desire for blood and willingness to die for their jihad.

What's the answer? Figure it out and kill the dangerous minority before they have a chance to act, I suppose... How to do that with as little "collateral damage" as possible? I have no idea.

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bassjones · Post by **bassjones** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 11:35 am

Is Jojo back????

I think it's blatantly racist to say there are no Muslims in Fort Wayne. It's also racist to call Muslims a race. People of Middle Eastern descent practice all faiths, including Christianity, Judaism and Islam. Also, people of all races practice the faith of Islam. There are many Muslims in Fort Wayne, and several of them are personal friends. The large majority of Muslims are good people, but for some reason, the majority have refused to stand up to and oppose the small minority of absolute murderous fascists - there's that term again, "Islamofascists" - that have brought whatever oppression they face upon them.

sharkmansix · Post by **sharkmansix** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:27 pm

So anyways, back to the conversation at hand (sort of).

This was interesting, goes to show some in the Islamic community will speak against the seeming flow:

Nadhlatul Ulama chairman Hasyim Muzadi called on Indonesian Muslims on Monday to accept Pope Benedict XVI's apology for offending Muslims, saying it was "an obligation" according to Islamic teachings.

"As long as it (the Pope's remarks) was made out of negligence, we are obliged to accept the apology," Hasyim said on the sidelines of a religious leaders conference at the NU office.

From:
http://www.thejakartapost.com/detailhea ... @01&irec=0

bassjones · Post by **bassjones** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:34 pm

I still don't think he had anything to apologize for. It was a lecture in a scholarly setting and he quoted a pope from the 16th century. I also think most people, and obviously all of the idiots protesting, burning the pope in effagy and shooting a nun, missed the most important part of that quote: "Violence is incompatible with the nature of God." I'm not sure I agree 100%, but still....

Morphine Child · Post by **Morphine Child** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 4:49 pm

bassjones wrote: What's the answer? Figure it out and kill the dangerous minority before they have a chance to act, I suppose... How to do that with as little "collateral damage" as possible? I have no idea.

Well, while we're running around killing the dangerous Islam minorities (with the desire to possibly kill), we better take care of these folks too then: http://www.apple.com/trailers/magnolia/ ... p/trailer/

According to these folks, "there are two types of people in this world. People who love Jesus, and people who don't." Also, "we're being trained to be gods army."

Great, the evangelical christians are brainwashing kids and building an army for the next generation! They're ready to start a freakin' religious war...

bassjones · Post by **bassjones** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 5:14 pm

Except they're not advocating any sort of violence at all. You might want to actually watch the whole thing instead of just pulling silly little quote like that out of context. For the Christian, martyrdom is something completely different than for the Muslim. Christian martyrdom consists of some oppressor killing you for your beliefs. Muslim martyrdom consists of you killing yourself while in the process of killing others for their beliefs.

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