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True enough. BE a regular...get preferential treatment. And I'll grant you, I'm not a regular at Mid City by any means.

But with the current attitude toward non-regulars, I won't even be an occasional. No skin off their nose, I'd wager. But how many others have had the same kinds of experiences, and DIDN'T mention them on a message board, or write a letter to the editor....they just didn't bother to go back? Is this the way Mid City treats everyone they don't know well? Comments on this thread already lead me to believe that that might be close to the truth.

All I hear around this board are laments about how locals don't support local music. Everyone that has played or will play Mid City should be pissed that fans are being driven out, instead of welcomed in. How many performances will I miss in 2008 at Mid City because of the sh*tty treatment of one night? How many fans of your music will have a similar experience, and decide not to bother to come out and see you perform?

Next time i want to blow twenty bucks for four drinks, and get treated like sh*t, I'll invite my ex wife out for dinner, instead of trying to watch, enjoy and support the Freak Brothers...or YOUR band.

Just a little food for thought, from a non-regular.
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The first time I was in there I was treated pretty well actually. I'm surprised you had that sort of experience and would suggest you give it one more shot in case it was just one bartender having a bad night, which I suspect it was.
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deek wrote:
kimaliz wrote:
poopstains wrote: I'm gonna have to go with a HUGE difference between disobeying a smoking ordinance, and civil rights, and the independence of a nation.

As for Mid City I have been in there a handful of times, and got pretty sh*tty service, its as if your not a regular your money is sh*t.
This simply isn't true their were No bars in the conventional sense that was smoke free. You can't go to a restaurant bar and tie on a good one because they close early, management will cut you off quick and it is just weird to party at a restaurant
My point was you had a place to drink. Plus, how does it feel when you cant do what you want in an establishment. You get mad that they would cut you off or close early, why is that any different then me getting upset that I cant enjoy a smoke with my drink? Sad thing is that in my case it isnt even the establishment, most of them would prefer to keep the smoking clients.

As to Mid city, yes they treat the regs better. I used to hangout there a lot and I saw that.
But you are acting like smoking is still allowed in the city...its not. Its not the same thing...there is no ordinance against you drinking at an establishment, but there IS one for smoking. You can't just blinding ignore it because you don't like or agree with it.

I'd prefer to have smoking in bars and other designated places, but until there is enough support to overturn or change the ordinance, I'm going to abide by it.

And based on what I hear in the community (which isn't much, mind you), for every owner complaining about the smoking ban, there are a handful that support it.

So, if you really want to smoke in a bar, take a 15 minute drive and do it in New Haven! Which is a "choice" as well, then everyone will be happy!
I was actually just comparing the feeling. Saying that you had a place to go if you didnt feel like smoke in the air. May not have been the funnest places but it was there nonetheless. Smokers don't get a place to go anymore that doesnt ential freezing their asses off that is.

Well owners that are for it should have made their place nonsmoking before the ban.

The group that is for smoking here is pushing it on New Haven now. How extremly unconstitutional is that???
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bassjones wrote:I think civil disobedience (especially if the bar is willing to participate) is the way to get it modified. Just refuse to obey their stupid laws, then refuse to pay the fine.
yes I believe this is the only way to do things these days, if it even works anymore.

screw all that political crap, its a waste of time.
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Smokers don't get a place to go anymore that doesnt ential freezing their asses off that is.

Kinda like when non smokers had to freeze their asses off outside to get some fresh air.[/quote]
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Lou B do B dooo wrote:
Smokers don't get a place to go anymore that doesnt ential freezing their asses off that is.

Kinda like when non smokers had to freeze their asses off outside to get some fresh air.
OH! Touché!

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The_Dude wrote:Regulars will always get treated better.

Want the same treatment? Become a regular.
I don't want the same treatment as a "regular" I just don't want to be treated like sh*t. I'm sorta a regular at buckets, my friends are definate regulars and because of that I get decent service, but I wouldn't expect them to blow off other customers to serve me.

If bar owners are so pissed off about the ban why not create heated smoking decks, it would bring all those poor freezing smokers together and give them a warm place to complain.
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poopstains wrote:
The_Dude wrote:Regulars will always get treated better.

Want the same treatment? Become a regular.
I don't want the same treatment as a "regular" I just don't want to be treated like sh*t. I'm sorta a regular at buckets, my friends are definate regulars and because of that I get decent service, but I wouldn't expect them to blow off other customers to serve me.

If bar owners are so pissed off about the ban why not create heated smoking decks, it would bring all those poor freezing smokers together and give them a warm place to complain.
City takes away business and now the business has to spend more money to build heated decks. Why do that, when I am sure in a few years they will ban those too.

I feel bad for the businesses that had to build special smoking areas after the first ban.
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Lou B do B dooo wrote:
Smokers don't get a place to go anymore that doesnt ential freezing their asses off that is.

Kinda like when non smokers had to freeze their asses off outside to get some fresh air.
[/quote]In my many years of going to the bar, I don't recall ever seeing people outside catching a "fresh air break". In fact, it seems like 8 out of 10 people I see at the bar are smokers. I know 3 people off the top of my head who ONLY smoke when they drink.

I'm truly sorry some people don't like being in a smoke-filled bar, but does that mean there should be a LAW banning it? How many rights are we going to allow them to take from us? I hate that we live in a society where we make anything "we" don't like illegal.

Are there numbers anywhere on the ratio of people for and against the ban?
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GoDownProductions wrote: I don't recall ever seeing people outside catching a "fresh air break".
There have been many gigs I've been on, where, at some point in the evening I have stepped outside so I could get some fresh air. For a non-smoker, some of those places used to get pretty polluted.

I remember countless "mornings after" where my lungs were scratchy and hurt from all the smoke the night before. I don't care what any of the naysayers have to say about "second hand smoke hasn't been proven to be harmful." When I don't smoke and my lungs feel like sh!t after being in a smokey bar all night, I say bullsh!t to them. If it makes me feel bad, it is bad.
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I have also been at gigs that between sets I would go outside to get some air. For years I have been playing in smoke filled bars and never whined about my rights as a non smoker being surpressed. If the smokeing ban were to be lifted tomarrow would I still go to bars? Heck ya I would, I enjoy the company of friends and I as a musician love to play so it is going to take me to a smoke filled bar from time to time. I as a non smoker enjoy going out and not smelling like smoke when I go home. Just my $.02
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Lou B do B dooo wrote:I have also been at gigs that between sets I would go outside to get some air. For years I have been playing in smoke filled bars and never whined about my rights as a non smoker being surpressed. If the smokeing ban were to be lifted tomarrow would I still go to bars? Heck ya I would, I enjoy the company of friends and I as a musician love to play so it is going to take me to a smoke filled bar from time to time. I as a non smoker enjoy going out and not smelling like smoke when I go home. Just my $.02
as a "social smoker" - i.e. I smoke a little when out with friends but not otherwise, I could care less either way if a bar is smoking or non-smoking. I actually prefer non-smoking bars as I don't smoke nearly as much that way, but that does not give me, or John Crawford, or any voter, or any politician the right to ban a LEGAL activity in a privately owned, taxpaying establishment. And I do miss playing with my pipe or a cigar in my mouth.
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Actually...voters do have a right to ban legal activity...how do you think laws and ordinances come about? Take a look at the recent absinthe ban lifted from the prohibition era. Enough people came about to say that this was unfair and got it "reinstated" as a legal beverage.

If the majority of the voting community says a ban on smoking in privately owned, taxpaying establishments is what they want, well, the only thing that will overturn it is another majority of the voting community rescinding that ordinance...I hear a lot of bitching and moaning, but I don't see a huge uprising from the community to lift the ban...

And to go back to smokey bar topic...when I was playing regularly at the local bars, I'd have to leave to go outside at least once a night from all the burning and watering to my eyes that the amount of smoke caused...and I was a smoker to boot. Even in the past couple of years (before the ban), I'd have to take a break from playing pool or darts and hit the bathroom to wash my face and eyes because of the smoke...

And so far this year, it hasn't been cold enough for me to believe I was "freezing my ass off" if I did decide to go out for a smoke, so don't give me that as an excuse!
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Okay, voters maybe. 9 Politicos on a city council hell no.
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But don't you think if this wasn't the voice of the people (or that the people didn't care on way or another)? I mean, citizens certainly got in an uproar between the blue and yellow petitions with the whole FWCS thing...I'm sure if the city council was really out of whack, that more than just a handful of bar/club owners would have stepped up...don't you think?
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