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National healthcare
I am against it, people should fend for themselves 25%  25%  [ 5 ]
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I am for it, everybody should have access to proper healthcare 75%  75%  [ 15 ]
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:06 pm 
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heathcare is helpful, but in Canada it's not really the appropriate solution I think. Although things like doctor visits may be "free" in a sense. You will notice the large taxation of your income pouring into a fund such as this. So if you are unemployed, then yes to you it is free. But for the employed, you definitely are paying for it. There needs to be a happy medium between easily affordable and totally free. Another downside to the total free aspect when I was in Canada was say you go to the doctor or hospital. If I go for a visit at the regular doctor I have a wait of hours generally. Last time I just had a physical I had to wait about 2 hours just to be seen, even with an appointment. I went to the hospital before because of a severely sprained ankle (wasn't sure if it was broken or what) Just to be seen and X-rayed, I waited almost 7 hours. The reason is people abuse the system, because everyone knows it's free. They don't think, they go for every little thing and occupy the physicians and nurses time. So more or less there are alot of downsides to a socialized medicine system and I know this because I've lived through it for 20 years.


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Thank you, those are very valid points, and you are speaking from experience.

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Universal healthcare= universally poor healthcare.
Trust me on this one.
Of course everyone should have access to proper Care, but a socialized system isn't the answer.


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So you can live in America and get awesome heathcare no one can afford, or you can go to Canada and get "free" healthcare that is more like a shop then a clinic/office.

There's lots of problems with the American healthcare system. Nurses are at a shortage and are underpaid. Doctors insurance rates are phenominal, plus schooling isn't cheap. The pharmacutical industry is more interested in money than in cures....the list goes on an on.

At least a sociliized system would be nice say if: my roomate cuts the holy hell out of himself (which has happened) he wouldn't be stuck with huge bills (like he is now).

There is no universal solution, to any problem, let alone healthcare.

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I think most of the problem is actually the research of medicine more than the actual "health care" per say and the inflated prices of places like hospitals. Say you go to a hospital, like my mother in law did, to get a minor surgery done. She stayed there one night. it cost her around 5000 dollars. That is very in excess in my opinion. She saw her bill and they tried to charge her about 12 dollars for 2 aspirin. That seems to be a major flaw in the american health care system. But Canada's way isn't the answer either. When I was there because things were government funded you also don't get the newer drugs. Hell I've been on some medications before that are 20 years behind the american medicines when I was there. I don't really have an answer for the problem. All I am is thankful that I rarely ever get sick.


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I’ve stayed away from the subject of you being a douche bag out of respect. So piss off.

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Universal healthcare= universally poor healthcare.


Capitalist healthcare = poor/no healthcare for a large number of people.

I see healthcare as a human right, and as such, I think it's innappropriate to view it in terms of money. The money economy was designed to help us. If we find out that it's causing problems in distributing something as important as healthcare, then we need to redesign the economy. Not the other way around.

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Bjart I commend you, and so does Tom, oh and he wanted me to tell you that he loves you. It's where the money actually goes that's the problem. I think this is what you're saying. I've heard how it is in Canada, crowded rooms, long waits, shortage of this and that. The job of politicians in a socialist state should be to make sure that the money that is coming out of the paycheck to specifically pay for healthcare is actually going to healthcare.

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Wow, those poll options are pretty biased in their wording.

I went into more detail on one of the other posts, but here's a little.

I do believe every person should have healthcare, but I don't believe in a massive government social program to do it. Kerry says his plan, which just covers currently uninsured children, will cost $600 Billion. Independent studies of his plan say it will cost close to $1.5 Trillion, and we still haven't covered uninsured adults. The medicare prescription drug plan that Bush pushed and passed is more than $400 Billion. The scary thing is within the next 15 years the percentage of the population that is retired will go from 22% to 38%. How are we (you and I will be the ones footing the bill) going to pay for that?

Fix the tort law, and start encouraging or requiring doctors, hospitals and pharmacies to donate time, care, and medicine, and we can have universal health care without the monster socialist program.

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NO UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 9:52 pm 
Bjart Sod wrote:
I see healthcare as a human right, and as such, I think it's innappropriate to view it in terms of money. The money economy was designed to help us. If we find out that it's causing problems in distributing something as important as healthcare, then we need to redesign the economy. Not the other way around.


forking A! (i even went back to capitalize the A)


did i notice a hint of "declaration of independence" in that?


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DarinLC wrote:
It's where the money actually goes that's the problem. I think this is what you're saying.


Actually, I meant why should we even measure this in terms of dollar amounts? We're talking about people's lives here. The "where is the money going to come from" argument doesn't interest me at all. Money is a human invention. If it's broke, fix it.

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did i notice a hint of "declaration of independence" in that?


I'd be more in favor of a Declaration of Interdependece.

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