Why Islamic Fundamentalism should be outlawed

bassjones · Post by **bassjones** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 11:16 am

Morons and Oddities aside, we don't stone women in the streets for daring to bare their ankles on hot day.

bwohlgemuth · Post by **bwohlgemuth** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 11:32 am

Yeah, the Sudanese are being idiots here. But I'm guessing since it's Friday, this was a hot topic with the imams today. And when you have high unemployment (bunch of people sitting around doing nothing), guess they needed to blow off some steam.

Once again, different standards. They are standing up for what they think is right, just like those guys crying about the ten commandments in the court house. In fact....for your listening pleasure...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb9rIH0B_9k

The question is how to change it. Outlawing Muslim Fundamentalism is not the solution, fixing the economies of all of these countries is. Get people more worried about their families and lives and the fundamentalist side evaporates....

kh_man · Post by **kh_man** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 11:48 am

I'm not sure you can change it. Ever since there's been religion, people have been doing horrific things in the name of their God. I have no explanation for it. Anybody...?
KH

P.S. I've never heard of anyone being stoned for naming a teddy bear Jesus. (And that's not a defense of Christianity)

bwohlgemuth · Post by **bwohlgemuth** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 12:46 pm

According to strict Sharia, the teddy bear is even a bad thing (no images of animals).

This type of behavior is common in Muslim states. As Western Culture slowly influences the kids of these societies, these new generations will find out there is more than the painful desert culture.

Morphine Child · Post by **Morphine Child** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 8:15 pm

bassjones wrote:Morons and Oddities aside, we don't stone women in the streets for daring to bare their ankles on hot day.

Yeah, SOME of them still do. Is that every Muslim Fundamentalist? I don't think so. Some Christan Fundamentalist protest funerals of homosexuals saying they're going to burn in hell. Does that sound stupid? Yes, it does. I don't see how every time a few bad apples in a Fundamentalist Islam group makes every Muslim fundamentalist a murderer or terrorist, but when a group of crazy christian fundamentalist go on about "god hates fags" or "God destroyed New Orleans because they deserved God's wrath", or anti-abortionist go blowing up abortion clinics and killing doctors it's just "a few crazy fundamentalist christians". If you're going to generalize one group, you need to be generalizing them all. Do you know any Muslim fundamentalist? Are they a forking terrorist? I've stayed with a few, and they were some of the nicest people I've ever met. I stayed with two Muslim fundamentalist families and they were both nice. Does that make every Muslim fundamentalist nice? No. I know there are Muslim terrorist, and that's the way it is. But just because you see a few incidents on the television about jihadists, don't go generalizing an entire population or calling for the abolishment of the sect of a system of beliefs.

bwohlgemuth · Post by **bwohlgemuth** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:21 pm

I have childhood friends who are Muslims. Their parents would be considered "fundamentalists" since they prayed five times a day, the women wore hijabs, and they properly observed the various Muslim holidays. Our landlord was a Jordanian Real Estate agent (whose daughter I liked when I was six and I was told I couldn't like her since I wasn't Jordanian).

Their kids observed the same customs their parents did, up to a certain point. I remember in high school going to to my friend Morad's house since Morad and I were going to the mall and Morad's mom had to meet me to make sure I wasn't going to corrupt Morad.

I think the third generation of Muslims in this country (we're on the second one) will eventually get it and will grow to be a part of this country, just like the Polish, Irish, German, and the rest have done...

bwohlgemuth · Post by **bwohlgemuth** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 1:18 am

And a big thank you to the New York Times showing that Muslims....ummm....really don't like Sharia...

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/01/world ... =permalink

Aero · Post by **Aero** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 2:37 pm

They need to separate religion from government. You're not going to solve anything by simply outlawing any kind of Fundamentalism.

We've got at least two Christian fundamentalists running for president in this country who would love it if the Bible became mightier than the Constitution.

MrSpall · Post by **MrSpall** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 6:08 pm

The fundamentalists are acting like idiots.

I could've typed this sentence anytime in the past 50 years and it would've looked just as valid (though 50 years ago it would've been on a typewriter). Go back a little further - to the earliest parts of this century, and I could say it about Christian Fundamentalists forcing Prohibition into law.

Fundamentalists use an inherently flawed logic system that automatically discounts most forms of knowledge. This is their problem.

It's not an Islamic thing, a Judeo-Christian thing, or a Buddhist, Hindi, or Sikh thing.

Fundamentalists are the problem, not just the Islamic ones.

Outlaw Islamic Fundamentalists right after you put Pat Robertson behind bars.

MrSpall · Post by **MrSpall** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 6:13 pm

Looking at this from a different perspective - isn't this really a great story about the Sudanese government? I grant you it seems silly to prosecute someone for naming a teddy bear; but with the public outcry they faced, what option did they have?

The fact that they went to great lengths to protect this woman from those who would do her harm tells me a lot. Many governments would've simply caved to the terrorist demands. Many governments would've conveniently 'forgotten' to guard her at some point and let the assassins get her.

This government worked incredibly hard to see that no real harm came to this woman - a citizen of another country - when I'm not sure most others would've done the same.

Rather than just harping on the idiot protestors, lets give some respect to the Sudanese government for standing up to those idiots.

bassjones · Post by **bassjones** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 9:38 am

Actually, it was women who forced prohibition into law, not Christian fundamentalists. And sorry, but in many parts of the world, the fundie islamists are the overwhelming majority.

Aero · Post by **Aero** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 5:23 pm

bassjones wrote:Actually, it was women who forced prohibition into law, not Christian fundamentalists. And sorry, but in many parts of the world, the fundie islamists are the overwhelming majority.

You're both right - it was women who happened to be fundamentalists. They were feminists who used their interpretations of Christianity to push for legislature that violated the rights of everyone else in the country at the time (Prohibition). Fundamentalists are dangerous wherever they are in the world when they try to mix their beliefs with government.

bwohlgemuth · Post by **bwohlgemuth** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 10:37 pm

And another chink in the "fundamentalism is bad" armour...

http://instapundit.com/archives2/012413.php

Once again, I have no problems with Amish, Muslims, Hindus, Christians (yes, I know the Amish are Christians too), Buddhists, Pagans, Vegetarians, Earth Firsters, Hedonists, and generally anyone who wants to worship whatever God they wish.

As long as government is separate from religion, life is good...

Garr · Post by **Garr** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 10:54 pm

I have no problem with any of those brain washing groups either, as long as they don't try to sanction laws or regulations that ever force me to fall in line with their views.

Be as fundamental as you want until it interferes with someone else's right to the same.

Personally, I prefer to take bits and pieces from all philosophies and religions and interest groups that I encounter. I prefer to be an amalgam of ideas, rather than a subscriber to an ideology. (which, yes, I know, is an ideology in itself. Get off my back).

subgenius88 · Post by **subgenius88** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 1:59 am

bassjones wrote:http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/arti ... article.do

Wow - 15 days in jail. Those barbarians!

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