Environmentalism Is A Religion

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Environmentalism Is A Religion

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Czech Pres: Environmentalism is a religion
WASHINGTON, March 9 (UPI) -- Environmentalism is a religion that is based more on political ambitions than science, the president of the Czech Republic warned Friday.

Speaking at the Cato Institute, a public policy think-tank, President Vaclav Klaus said that environmentalists who clamor for policy change to combat global warming "only pretend" to be promoting environmental protection, and are actually being driven by a political agenda.

"Environmentalism should belong in the social sciences," much like the idea of communism or other "-isms" such as feminism, Klaus said, adding that "environmentalism is a religion" that seeks to reorganize the world order as well as social behavior and value systems worldwide.

As for government spending on global warming studies, the former finance minister and of the Eastern European nation and trained economist said that such efforts were a "waste of money," adding that there was already sufficient scientific evidence for those seeking policy change to back up their proposals.

Meanwhile, he pointed out that those seeking to protect the environment could do a great deal under the existing political framework and with existing technologies, such as importing less goods from far-flung regions that require enormous jet fuel use.

Klaus concluded Friday his week-long tour of the United States, having met with a number of senior Bush administration officials, including Vice President d*ck Cheney.
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I have to agree...today's "bombshell" was that we're all getting malaria and there won't be anymore Polar Bears (of course ignoring the temperature variance we have seen over the past million or so years, while Polar Bears were getting fat and happy).

I am happy to see the "anti-anthropogenic" crowd starting to gather steam. We keep thinking "it's never happened before" when in reality it has, it's just that no one kept notes or was too worried about being eaten by a polar bear.
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I love the arrogance of humans, though. It cannot be denied that we are creating a problem for the environment; however, the planet has survived for hundreds of millions of years before our existence and has dealt with far greater calamities than those of humankind.

We are not hurting the earth nearly as much as we are hurting our ability to thrive on it. Humans will alter the environment to a point that the resources and ecology will no longer support our life, we will become extinct (or evolve) and then the world will HEAL ITSELF as it has after countless volcanic eruptions, meteorite bombardment, ice ages, the separation of pangea, plate tectonics, earthquakes, hurricanes, tsunamis, and numerous other NATURAL disasters.

I agree that environmentalism is a philosophical system akin to religion, but I think that it was a religion the first time when it was called PAGANISM. . .which, I think, far predates the Environmentalist movement of the last 20 years by a few centuries or so.
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Hate to say this Garr, but it's in our genetics. Those of us who didn't want to become "polar bear food" and thought "Hey, we should be eating THEM!" are the ones who survived.

Arrogance runs everywhere, it's just a byproduct of you believing you are right and how far you are willing to take that argument.

BTW,great documentary from Channel Four in Britain about the "yes it's global warming and it's related to the sun darnit" crowd and how they are right.

CO2 is a crappy heatsink. And while I agree we shouldn't be dumping mercury and other toxic crap into places where it didn't already exist, we do have a right as the dominant species on the planet to get what we want to grow and thrive. If that's arrogance, I would love to see a squirrel stop the next asteroid on a collision course with us. :lol:

BTW, I would buy a (decently built and priced) electric car in a heartbeat. Too bad we'll have to build a ton more power plants to run the darn things if everyone gets one. ;-)
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I'm a Darwin fanatic as of late. I have read (or am reading) many of his books simultaneously. I understand natural selection. That's why I'm of the belief that if we can't manage to adjust our practices. we naturally deserve to die.

I'm not talking about top of the food chain arrogance. That's not arrogant. it's confidence. We've earned that spot. I'm talking about the arrogance that humans think that they can actually destroy this planet. We will only destroy the delicate ecosystem that supports our life forms. The planet will shurg us off like a bad case of fleas.

That said, I'm all for environmentally conscious behavior. I am guilty of not being as active as I'd like to be, but it's not a religion to simply be environmentally minded, it's a lifestyle or a philosophical orientation. Start worshiping the Earth and then you get religion, but that one's already been taken by witches, druids, goddess followers, and dozens of other denominations of Pagans.

I wish I were more disciplined to be more environmentally active. I also wish that I were disciplined enough to subscribe to a religion, but there is invariably a hitch to every one of them which leaves me still seeking answers. Until then, I'll cling to philosophy and work with ideas--which are flexible--rather than beliefs which are barriers to self-improvement.
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Post by Morphine Child »

Garr wrote:I I also wish that I were disciplined enough to subscribe to a religion, but there is invariably a hitch to every one of them which leaves me still seeking answers. Until then, I'll cling to philosophy and work with ideas--which are flexible--rather than beliefs which are barriers to self-improvement.
That's why I invented "youism". Belief in yourself and praising yourself...because we make the good that happens to us.
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^ That is a comendable belief but the danger of it is you have to be wary of letting foolish pride take over. If you can keep yourself balanced then I'm all for it.
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echosauce1 wrote:^ That is a comendable belief but the danger of it is you have to be wary of letting foolish pride take over. If you can keep yourself balanced then I'm all for it.
Then consider foolish pride the "cardinal sin" of this belief system. :)

For real though...I was thinking one day about those damn athletes and Grammy winners and Oscar winners that excessively thank God for something they did and earned themselves. I was watching a Bear's game earlier this year and Hester broke the returns record on Monday Night Football. He stood there and thanked "God" for 2 minutes. Did this God character put Hester out on the field and in the weight room for hours every day for his own entertainment so that someday he'd get props on Monday Night Football? Doubtful. Hester is a good return man, and he made himself good by working his ass off and utilizing the good physical genes he inherited from his parents. So why shouldn't Hester say, modestly, of course, that he's glad all his hard work has paid off and he's really fast and break tackles well? Not to say that his teammates have nothing to do with it, but his abilities that he worked for have paid off for him. I bet if he would have fumbled two or three times in that same game and did an interview he would have taken all the blame and said he let his teammates down. He wouldn't have said God made him fumble two or three times.

Really though...shouldn't we be giving ourselves more credit? Why don't we take credit for ourselves more often and take pride in the fact that we accomplished something with the genes our ancestors passed down to us?
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Garr wrote: I'm talking about the arrogance that humans think that they can actually destroy this planet. We will only destroy the delicate ecosystem that supports our life forms.
In other words, we might kill off all life on the planet, but the earth probably won't explode?

And BTW, environmentalism isn't a new religion, unless I'm misreading Genesis.
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Well, I seriously doubt that we could even destroy all life on this planet. As varied as life forms are, and based on where they live, I'm sure that several subterranean and aquatic animals and their flora companions would survive the best we can dish out. New species are born daily as a response to their environs.

I'm even more stoked about this line of thought after reading the first 100 pages of "The Origin of Species" by Charles Darwin. I think that even a catastrophic event put in place by humans would leave some forms of life on the planet and a recovery would surely come around. . .it may take thousands or millions of years. . .but it's happened at least once.
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Garr wrote:I agree that environmentalism is a philosophical system akin to religion, but I think that it was a religion the first time when it was called PAGANISM. . .which, I think, far predates the Environmentalist movement of the last 20 years by a few centuries or so.
Good call... Brings to mind the movie Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within...
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bwohlgemuth wrote:CO2 is a crappy heatsink. And while I agree we shouldn't be dumping mercury and other toxic crap into places where it didn't already exist, we do have a right as the dominant species on the planet to get what we want to grow and thrive. If that's arrogance, I would love to see a squirrel stop the next asteroid on a collision course with us. :lol:
And that reminds me of the movie Armageddon.
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