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 Post subject: Pentagon lists homosexuality as disorder
PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 11:41 am 
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WASHINGTON - A Pentagon document classifies homosexuality as a mental disorder, decades after mental health experts abandoned that position.

The document outlines retirement or other discharge policies for service members with physical disabilities, and in a section on defects lists homosexuality alongside mental retardation and personality disorders.


*slaps forehead* Yikes, yikes, yikes. Pathetic.

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I thought they stopped referring to it as that in the 50's?

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there's one more sign that the government is putting their time and our money into too many ridiculous "issues". "f**k global warming! Let's concentrate making the gays more outcast than they already are!"

it is completely mind boggling where our priorities are right now.

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I thought they stopped referring to it as that in the 50's?



funny enough, at least the DSM III (psychiatric disorder bible: Diagnostic... Statisti... Manual) has a reformed, more euphemistic version of "exhibiting homosexual tendencies is a disorder." Of course the DSM says everything is a disorder. I have an "attacking authoritative texts" disorder. I dont know about DSM IV or DSM IV TR.


I fell asleep in my intro. psych. course when my prof. (thats a lot of abbrev.) was talking about those. I guess that's one of the reasons I got a D in that.

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There are a lot of problems with the DSM, but homosexuality was removed in the early 70s. This wasn't - and still isn't - a unanimous position by psychiatrists and psychologists.

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There are a lot of problems with the DSM, but homosexuality was removed in the early 70s. This wasn't - and still isn't - a unanimous position by psychiatrists and psychologists.


Many psychiatrists and psychologists believe it was removed due to political pressure and not based on sound medical science. I'm not saying I agree, but it's not fair to classify anyone who doesn't agree with the change as a homophobic, bigoted hatemonger either. At least medically speaking, it's still very much an open question.

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In order to justify it biologically, you'd have to justify heterosexuality biologically - the need for procreation isn't enough. But the DSM is really culturally biased. As far as being removed, I'm pretty sure there's a more conservative spin in the 3rd edition. I'll get the quote later.


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I read a lot of studies about it in Personality theory which showed the social and biological sides of it. Some of the social arguments seemed a little absurd and far fetched to me, but I do remember reading a few biological studies that were interesting. One of them showed a study where 10 homosexual male cadaver brains were studied and a slight variation in the brain was found compared to that of a heterosexual male brain. Non-conclusive, but interesting either way.

I would see how homosexuality could be COMPARED with a mental disorer, in that they're both genetic, and not of the norm (in our culture). In some cultures men have sex with young boys as a rite to manhood, and in some cultures men have sex with men as a form of birth control. Yet nothing is thought of it because they don't have a bible that says it's wrong, and that's their tradition.

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Other prominent disorders no one (or few) would question have a biological origin or vulnerability. Schizophrenia, for example.

As Mr. Jones said, politics actually had a lot to do with the change. Its a question of whether something being a disorder means it should be cured, or whether terms like condition might yield better approaches. Its more than just a name, it reflects a huge division in psychiatry.

Its like being intersexed. A perfectly natural phenomenon. But your average family physician will fix the "problem" without even telling the parents, although lawsuits may see that changed someday.

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from The Mismeasure of Woman by Carol Tavris:

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Further, the APA has acknowledged that some "mental disorders" have a social origin and that they properly do not belong in the DSM. When the APA first dropped homosexuality from its list of official Sexual Disorders, it decided to maintain a category called Ego-Dystonic Homosexuality, referring to homosexuals who were unhappy or conflicted about their sexual orientation. In 1987, the DSM-III-R banished even that variation, as well it should have, when its compilers realized that "In the United STates almost all people who are homosexual first go through a phase in which their homosexuality is ego-dystonic." In making this change, the DSM-III-R was acknowledging that it is society's discomfort with and outright hatred toward homosexuals that can create their conflicts, not a mental disorder. (Nevertheless, the DSM-III-R couldn't let the matter go completely. Under a category called Sexual Disorder Not Otherwise Specified, one symptom continues to be "persistent and marked distress about one's sexual orientation.") Yet if a black woman came to therapy with persistent and marked distress about being black in a white world, the origin of her conflict would not, should not, be located within her psyche. There is no mental disorder called "ego-dystonic race identity."



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Some of the social arguments seemed a little absurd and far fetched to me


I'd say most emotional disorders are of a "social" (and cognitive) nature rather than "biological." It's really hard to say when our society drives people flippin crazy as flip.


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Some of the social arguments seemed a little absurd and far fetched to me


I'd say most emotional disorders are of a "social" (and cognitive) nature rather than "biological." It's really hard to say when our society drives people flippin crazy as flip.


I'm not saying that all arguments for social causation of disorders are wrong, but I do disagree with the "social" theories of homosexuality. And it has been shown that most disorders are quiet genetic. There's a huge difference between someone going "crazy as flip" and one who has schizophrenia, or bipolar disorder. Society doesn't drive people to become bipolar or schizophrenic, it's an unfortunate genetic problem. I don't consider someone that goes postal on a bunch of people mentally ill, or else everyone would be in an asylum rather than in jail.

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I do disagree with the "social" theories of homosexuality.


You're right. There's a better case for a social etiology of heterosexuality.


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And it has been shown that most disorders are quiet genetic.


It's also been shown that women have less teeth than men (Aristotle). Time will tell and this stuff is far from agreed on.

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There's a huge difference between someone going "crazy as flip" and one who has schizophrenia, or bipolar disorder.


Aaron Beck, Carol Tavris, Thomas Szasz, and Ron Laing might disagree. Historically there isn't a really good distinction. Catch me up to date though, I am definitely open.


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Society doesn't drive people to become bipolar or schizophrenic, it's an unfortunate genetic problem.


Is this backed by cross-cultural studies?


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I don't consider someone that goes postal on a bunch of people mentally ill, or else everyone would be in an asylum rather than in jail.


While I'm in no position to say what is and isn't mentally ill, I'm highly skeptical of what constitutes a "biological disorder."


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